Jon Lovett

Why are you letting these people do this?

They're sort of using him.

I think that's true.

I think that's true.

I don't know where we landed on with the mustaches.

Maybe it was just the beards.

Yeah, that looked up on the chill, you know, a frost on the tarmac, a sly smile on the face.

Why was it sly?

Like, what the fuck is he doing?

More bombs, sir.

Bigger bombs, sir.

And even take it at face value, right?

Like, just take what he's saying at face value, which is so...

What do you mean you're finding out?

Like, what are you talking about?

What is that supposed to tell us?

Like a person on the ground is saying they need more bombs and you're going to oblige their request for more bombs.

Like it doesn't make, none of it makes sense.

It's like, it's his impression of what he thinks someone's supposed to sound like, but he's also like not really aware what like an actual leader would.

You talked to Jeffrey Goldberg about this and I thought it was what he said about it was smart, which is like, hey, you're the defense secretary.