Jon Noble

And Horner's letting it be known on Netflix, for example, or in TV interviews and pointing the finger at Toto.

It's a unifying force.

It's everyone pushing for the same thing.

And everything's then channeled through the team boss and what the team boss says in public.

I think that's quite an important element in this kind of the battleground of Formula One that takes place off the racetrack.

I do and don't agree with you on that point.

I think the first point is you definitely 100% want Max Verstappen in your team.

If you are in Formula 1 at the moment and you can get Max Verstappen and have him...

It's an absolute no-brainer.

He will get the best out of the car.

He'll give the feedback you want.

You'll know that he'll do the top job that is capable of that car with no doubts.

So there is that.

But there's also reality in Formula 1 that time moves on very quickly.

And things that we think would be immovable, you look at Seb Vettel, Red Bull, Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, all these great drivers in their time.

You think, wow, this team will be finished when they've gone on.

But it does go on.

Michael Schumacher was absolutely central to success at Ferrari.

His retirement, the bombshell of Formula 1, what's this going to mean?

Is this the end of Ferrari?