Jon Slavet

It's crazy, it's dangerous on multiple levels and difficult.

Sure.

I have my eyes wide open, but I'd say that it was death by a thousand cuts, Chuck.

There wasn't one thing.

It was many things.

And in California, I think the challenge, like many states, is civic engagement, right?

Just the number of people who actually care.

I think in California right now, unfortunately, there are more people who care about national politics than

And some of those fights, the Newsom-Trump fight, which gets so much energy, but it doesn't actually have anything to do with what's ailing the state.

And then people care about some of their local stuff, but the reality is what happens at the state level has a bigger impact on people's lives than anything else.

Well, actually, I was going to say we've got the California Post about about to launch.

Right.

New York Post, California Post.

Yeah.

Well, we'll find out.

I think that maybe it instigates some good trouble, to borrow a phrase, and we need more good trouble in California.

I've been here 30 years, so I moved here to follow my California dream.

Sure.

As I mentioned, to work for the founders of Wired Magazine.

And I've worked in...