Jon Stewart

You talk about the 20s and the degradation of the power of people's voices.

And then FDR seizes that moment and he brings in social programs that ease the pain and the lives of all these different people.

And as you were telling it, what was coming up in my head was 2008 financial crisis and the Iraq war and social media.

And these are the three ingredients, but the progressive hero didn't seize that moment.

And I want to ask about this, and this is a hard one.

Trump is the one who ends up seizing that form of communication, mastering the attention economy.

But before that was Obama.

And are we in a situation where Obama, was it a slightly missed opportunity?

to seize upon those conditions that could have really created that modern progressive revolution that ended up maybe dissipating because it wasn't bold enough.

Is that possible?

Hey, look, Longer, I mean, he's singing an old song, Heather.

I mean, the song he's singing about there is a real America and a real American, and they're the ones being screwed by, like, that's a pretty old song that even goes back to what you were talking about in the South.

And an expansion of rights and an expansion of fairness and an expansion of justice.

Heather, it might be the nicest thing anybody said on this podcast.

It's

Turn it over.

You know, it's part of it because it it strikes me this is a great discussion to have about.

It's how you convince people, because I think the cattle rancher thing is a great historical precedent.

And you can look at it today with the farmers.

what i find is if the government does something that for someone that you yourself don't need well that's an entitlement and you resent it but if the government does something that you need well that's just and that's just them giving you back your money you know and they always make this case by the way like why are we putting tariffs on well