Jon Stewart

And it's hard for me to move past that in some respects.

What was your thought process with him?

He wants it.

He wants it in a way that is more ambition than- Conviction.

Conviction.

That it's less principle and more politics.

I didn't get that impression.

Oh, great.

There you go.

But then again, you worked for Blair, so I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt.

Yes.

okay well fair enough then but thank you for for being candid uh about those various things i want to revisit uh just remember we sort of talked about nato's role in all this and how trump really is ideologically aligned more with these strong men and certainly seems to prefer them yeah to anything else that he does but i want to also ask during your time in office what your experience was with the middle east powers because netanyahu

has so, I think, for my money, I believe he is not interested in diplomatic solutions to almost anything and that he has found his lane in violence.

And he can, all he wants about, well, we were attacked, and understood, and I'm not diminishing that, but you can't, there's a difference between

capability and ambition.

And what he's trying to do is bomb the ambition out of people.

He's trying to bomb their will away.

And I don't think that's something you can do.

No.

That the more people are resilient and they will fight that.