Jonah Lafferty

Um, but.

it's interesting too i was just um in preparation for this too flicking through and noticing some of the differences in the illustrations and like one of my favorite things about the um simpson and day guide is like a lot of the illustrations are like beautiful habitat like there's some amazing art in these um like some of the beautiful habitats that they draw behind them whereas the csi row guys a little bit more um scientific and you know the birds are drawn really well

And then I'm sure a lot of people would know that big book, like What Bird Is This?

That big book.

And it's got some beautiful illustrations.

And then another few of the bird books I love are some of those bird books that have early drawings of some of the early European ornithologists that came out here.

Because they look nothing like the bird.

but just seeing their interpretation and thinking back to like when people saw these birds for the first time and they would have been working off just a few glimpses perhaps and then reimagining and drawing the bird so you know there's so much to bird guides bird illustration and bird books that

is wonderful and one last interesting observation that i would be interested to hear from you kirsty and sean on this too is um i can never find bird guides in op shops my theory is that they never get thrown out like it when people do book clean outs they must never clean out their bird guides because i always go to the book section of the op shop to see if i can find any and very rarely do i find them so that's another interesting observation

Like Sean said at the start too, Kirsty, or maybe we weren't recording when we had this conversation, but Sean mentioned how, you know, the, um,

Like, don't just go off the little range map because you never know if you see something cool or out of place, like back yourself in, if you think you've seen something that might be slightly outside of the little thumbnail in those books as well, because like, you know, we're speaking about the coals and things, you know, so much movement, things change so fast as well that, um, yeah, but that, that, that, that's such a good question.

Yeah, definitely.

And the first thing that came to mind on the omen question was how some of my traditional owner colleagues that I work with always remind me that they're totem birds.

Like when I see them, that they're watching me and they've got their eyes on me.

I thought straight away to my good friend, Joshy, who I work with, whose totem's a seagull.

And he says, you know, whenever there's a seagull around, that's me watching you.

Look at us.

yeah so i love that i love when um you know indigenous people and non-indigenous people as well like when um birds really become part of like our our psyche our like um you know we have omens about birds i've had a lot of people tell me that they've got special birds that they see and when they see that bird it means they're gonna have a really good day or they're gonna like um have something really good happen when they see people have said that to me about crimson rosellas a few times a few friends from canberra

Oh, Kirsty, I would like to say to listeners that I hope that they enjoy the podcast as much as I do.

Um, you learn so many good little snippets and fun things.