Jonathan Fields

But in my experience, that is very much the outlier, not the rule.

And for everybody else, you're giving them a way to say that you can still move through your days.

And in all of these tiny little moments along the way, find a sense of purpose that is also deeply nourishing.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So there's another P word that tends to enter the conversation when we talk about purpose that is probably equally, if not more loaded, and that word is passion.

And again, this is one of those words where so often the guidance is that you've got to, quote, find your passion or follow your passion.

Good advice, bad advice?

So, you know, I think the conversation around purpose and passion is something that so many of us explore and sort of like refocusing on the external part on how can I help others is a really powerful moment.

There is also this sort of like really interesting, but also somewhat uncomfortable idea that you share.

We touched on it a little bit earlier in our conversation about,

it's this notion that many of us, we have these ambitions that are, for lack of a better word, they're inherited, you know, from culture, from parents, from local community, or maybe they're just dreams of ours that we had at an earlier part of our life that are no longer really relevant to now.

How much in your mind, how much of a sort of like, you know, present day adult striving is really ours and how much of it is kind of borrowed?

Yeah, I really do think I agree with you.

I think that pressure just starts coming earlier and earlier.

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It ties into this other topic, which you explore as well, which is this notion of what are we actually working towards?

And this notion of enough or enoughness.

What is there?

We're all working towards that moment where we kind of feel like we've accomplished enough.

We have saved enough.