Jonathan Fields

Take me into your take on legacy.

Yeah, I feel so much the same way.

I think so often we're looking for, you know, what is the big dent in the universe that we hope to make and then leave behind?

And in my mind, and I'm right there beside you, for me, it's always like, you know, what's this small seed, using your language, that I can plant in the heart and minds of the people that are closest to me just on an everyday basis?

that carries on in some tiny, meaningful way.

That is literally all I care about.

I could care less if anyone knows of me or my work beyond those people.

There's no monument that needs to get built.

There's no entity that needs to be left behind, no body of work.

I mean, I love the fact that there's things that I create that make a difference beyond that, but...

it's really the people closest to me.

It's my family and my chosen family where I focus all of my energy now and where if I hope to have something that's left behind, that is where it lands.

And yet we often spend so much time trying to create something beyond that, thinking that that somehow will be important.

And I just never bought into that.

Yeah, there's a sort of, I guess you'd call it a model.

I don't know if you've ever heard of it, Rambam's Ladder.

It's sort of a... And it comes out of Judaism.

It's this notion of the ladder of giving.

And what is sort of like the... I don't know if the word pure is right, but you're sort of rising up the ladder of what is the cleanest, the purest, the highest level of giving.

And if I remember correctly, the highest...