Jonathan Haidt

Okay. That's a separate issue, which is a very serious issue, which is that all of this ed tech, all of these screens in front of students, it turns out is really bad for their education. Test scores have been dropping around the world since 2012 in part because of the educational technology. But let's get back to the question of addiction.

Okay. That's a separate issue, which is a very serious issue, which is that all of this ed tech, all of these screens in front of students, it turns out is really bad for their education. Test scores have been dropping around the world since 2012 in part because of the educational technology. But let's get back to the question of addiction.

Okay. That's a separate issue, which is a very serious issue, which is that all of this ed tech, all of these screens in front of students, it turns out is really bad for their education. Test scores have been dropping around the world since 2012 in part because of the educational technology. But let's get back to the question of addiction.

Because, Nick, what you said, I was about to say, oh, good. Well, then it's not really addiction. It's just a habit. But what Carrie said tells me that you are addicted. Your brain is addicted. And here's how I know. Because Anna Lemke, one of our country's foremost experts on addiction, she wrote the book Dopamine Nation.

Because, Nick, what you said, I was about to say, oh, good. Well, then it's not really addiction. It's just a habit. But what Carrie said tells me that you are addicted. Your brain is addicted. And here's how I know. Because Anna Lemke, one of our country's foremost experts on addiction, she wrote the book Dopamine Nation.

Because, Nick, what you said, I was about to say, oh, good. Well, then it's not really addiction. It's just a habit. But what Carrie said tells me that you are addicted. Your brain is addicted. And here's how I know. Because Anna Lemke, one of our country's foremost experts on addiction, she wrote the book Dopamine Nation.

She says the five universal symptoms of withdrawal from an addictive substance. This is what happens to addicts when you take away the drug for a day. Here are the five. Irritability, insomnia, dysphoria, craving, and anxiety. And it sounds like you've got most of those, which tells me that your brain is dependent on constant stimulation. Are you able to read a book?

She says the five universal symptoms of withdrawal from an addictive substance. This is what happens to addicts when you take away the drug for a day. Here are the five. Irritability, insomnia, dysphoria, craving, and anxiety. And it sounds like you've got most of those, which tells me that your brain is dependent on constant stimulation. Are you able to read a book?

She says the five universal symptoms of withdrawal from an addictive substance. This is what happens to addicts when you take away the drug for a day. Here are the five. Irritability, insomnia, dysphoria, craving, and anxiety. And it sounds like you've got most of those, which tells me that your brain is dependent on constant stimulation. Are you able to read a book?

Can you read a whole book, like, you know, an hour at a time paying attention, or is that hard for you?

Can you read a whole book, like, you know, an hour at a time paying attention, or is that hard for you?

Can you read a whole book, like, you know, an hour at a time paying attention, or is that hard for you?

Okay, so Nick, what I'm gonna recommend for you is what I'm just drawing from what the experts say, is if this is a dopamine issue, and clearly it is, then the way to break it is to go a month without it. You have to go through detox. The first few days, the first week will be hard, but then what you're gonna find, and this is what my students at NYU find, your life opens up.

Okay, so Nick, what I'm gonna recommend for you is what I'm just drawing from what the experts say, is if this is a dopamine issue, and clearly it is, then the way to break it is to go a month without it. You have to go through detox. The first few days, the first week will be hard, but then what you're gonna find, and this is what my students at NYU find, your life opens up.

Okay, so Nick, what I'm gonna recommend for you is what I'm just drawing from what the experts say, is if this is a dopamine issue, and clearly it is, then the way to break it is to go a month without it. You have to go through detox. The first few days, the first week will be hard, but then what you're gonna find, and this is what my students at NYU find, your life opens up.

You can pay attention. You have more time in your day. You experience things. So if you can find a way, the two of you working together, Ideally, you could start it if you can take a vacation somewhere, if you could send him to some sort of summer thing for a week or two or a month, summer camp or some experience. That really helps. So make the real world interesting as possible.

You can pay attention. You have more time in your day. You experience things. So if you can find a way, the two of you working together, Ideally, you could start it if you can take a vacation somewhere, if you could send him to some sort of summer thing for a week or two or a month, summer camp or some experience. That really helps. So make the real world interesting as possible.

You can pay attention. You have more time in your day. You experience things. So if you can find a way, the two of you working together, Ideally, you could start it if you can take a vacation somewhere, if you could send him to some sort of summer thing for a week or two or a month, summer camp or some experience. That really helps. So make the real world interesting as possible.

But what would really help you is going a month to let your brain reset itself to a normal setting.

But what would really help you is going a month to let your brain reset itself to a normal setting.