Jonathan Haidt

Ask me about destigmatization. Please say, John, isn't some of it just destigmatization? Okay, great.

Ask me about destigmatization. Please say, John, isn't some of it just destigmatization? Okay, great.

Thank you, Monica. So we can put all these things together because I get this a lot. So look, I said a lot of things in the book. There's been almost no pushback on any of it except for two topics. One is, is there really mental health crisis? And two, is it caused by social media? Those are the two areas of academic debate. On the first one, is there really a mental health crisis?

Thank you, Monica. So we can put all these things together because I get this a lot. So look, I said a lot of things in the book. There's been almost no pushback on any of it except for two topics. One is, is there really mental health crisis? And two, is it caused by social media? Those are the two areas of academic debate. On the first one, is there really a mental health crisis?

Thank you, Monica. So we can put all these things together because I get this a lot. So look, I said a lot of things in the book. There's been almost no pushback on any of it except for two topics. One is, is there really mental health crisis? And two, is it caused by social media? Those are the two areas of academic debate. On the first one, is there really a mental health crisis?

Isn't this just destigmatization? Isn't it just that Gen Z is comfortable talking about this? Oh, and they know all these words for it. It's the cultural capital of the day, in a sense. Yeah, isn't that all it is? That's a perfectly good argument. We should ask that about any disease.

Isn't this just destigmatization? Isn't it just that Gen Z is comfortable talking about this? Oh, and they know all these words for it. It's the cultural capital of the day, in a sense. Yeah, isn't that all it is? That's a perfectly good argument. We should ask that about any disease.

Isn't this just destigmatization? Isn't it just that Gen Z is comfortable talking about this? Oh, and they know all these words for it. It's the cultural capital of the day, in a sense. Yeah, isn't that all it is? That's a perfectly good argument. We should ask that about any disease.

But so my mother sent me to a couple of psychologists in the mid-70s because I had various nervous tics and they seemed like nervous habits. But that was very shameful. And I wouldn't tell anyone that I'd been to see a variety of therapists in the 70s. Yeah. And then, you know, in the 80s and 90s, it begins to be much more destigmatized. We start talking about it.

But so my mother sent me to a couple of psychologists in the mid-70s because I had various nervous tics and they seemed like nervous habits. But that was very shameful. And I wouldn't tell anyone that I'd been to see a variety of therapists in the 70s. Yeah. And then, you know, in the 80s and 90s, it begins to be much more destigmatized. We start talking about it.

But so my mother sent me to a couple of psychologists in the mid-70s because I had various nervous tics and they seemed like nervous habits. But that was very shameful. And I wouldn't tell anyone that I'd been to see a variety of therapists in the 70s. Yeah. And then, you know, in the 80s and 90s, it begins to be much more destigmatized. We start talking about it.

There are television shows about it. And so the destigmatization has been going steadily from the 70s to today. So why was there no change in any of these measures from the late 90s through 2011? There's no change. And all of a sudden, boom.

There are television shows about it. And so the destigmatization has been going steadily from the 70s to today. So why was there no change in any of these measures from the late 90s through 2011? There's no change. And all of a sudden, boom.

There are television shows about it. And so the destigmatization has been going steadily from the 70s to today. So why was there no change in any of these measures from the late 90s through 2011? There's no change. And all of a sudden, boom.

But was it experienced as a release? Like, oh, finally, like in 2010, we couldn't talk about this, but now they're all on Instagram by 2013, 2014. Oh, now we can talk about it. Is it that? Or is it that we transitioned from stigmatizing it to destigmatizing, destigmatizing, destigmatizing? To incentivizing. Exactly. At a certain point, it becomes prestigious. It's social capital.

But was it experienced as a release? Like, oh, finally, like in 2010, we couldn't talk about this, but now they're all on Instagram by 2013, 2014. Oh, now we can talk about it. Is it that? Or is it that we transitioned from stigmatizing it to destigmatizing, destigmatizing, destigmatizing? To incentivizing. Exactly. At a certain point, it becomes prestigious. It's social capital.

But was it experienced as a release? Like, oh, finally, like in 2010, we couldn't talk about this, but now they're all on Instagram by 2013, 2014. Oh, now we can talk about it. Is it that? Or is it that we transitioned from stigmatizing it to destigmatizing, destigmatizing, destigmatizing? To incentivizing. Exactly. At a certain point, it becomes prestigious. It's social capital.

And that is a terrible thing to do to kids, especially to girls. And that's what I think happened. Yeah, that's fair. The last thing you want to do to girls is say you'll get more prestige if you have more extreme symptoms.

And that is a terrible thing to do to kids, especially to girls. And that's what I think happened. Yeah, that's fair. The last thing you want to do to girls is say you'll get more prestige if you have more extreme symptoms.

And that is a terrible thing to do to kids, especially to girls. And that's what I think happened. Yeah, that's fair. The last thing you want to do to girls is say you'll get more prestige if you have more extreme symptoms.