Jonathan Haidt

That hyper activation, hyper vigilance, you might be able to come back down to baseline.

That default mode network will start working in the background.

You might develop a greater sense of meaning and purpose.

You could create a practice, a cultivated practice.

So your phone right now, on your personal device, you don't have any social media apps or anything like that?

So you can do a test.

So for people listening, if you want to say like, how addicted?

And by the way, we're using the word addiction very loosely in our conversation.

And so what we're really talking about, because, you know, there is in terms of, you know, medical, clinical syndrome, when you think about addiction, there's certain criteria.

And so what we're talking about is overuse or over-reliance on your devices.

Yes.

And so when you're thinking about, am I addicted to my phone?

Do I have, am I, you know, really, what the very simple thing that you can do.

I did it myself.

And I was like, I know, again, like you, Steven, like know all the science still was really difficult and you have all the access and it was still difficult.

And so all you have to do is you just take your phone, you put it in another part of your house or apartment or whatever, and give yourself a couple of hours.

When you know you're going to be home or, you know, you're not reliant on your phone for work or whatever.

An hour, two hours, three hours.

And just have a piece of paper, old school, piece of paper and a pen with you.

And every time you feel that compulsion of, like, I want to check my device, you make a mark.