Jonathan Haidt

We didn't know any better.

Now, in retrospect, we should have just given him a phone watch or a basic phone.

And that's what we did with my daughter, who's three years younger.

I gave her a big pink, a gizmo watch.

And in third grade, she loved it.

And I could send her out in third or fourth grade.

I could send her out into the park, out to get bagels.

So we at least did that for my daughter.

The place where I did hold the line is on social media.

I said, no way, you're not getting social media, at least until high school.

But both kids, you know, they accepted that.

And my daughter, when she then was in seventh grade, she said that she was actually glad she wasn't on Instagram because she could see what it does to girls.

It's a terrible thing to take 11- and 12-year-old girls and make them be conscious of their face, their skin, their body, constantly, all day long, having people comment on it.

It's a horrible thing to do to girls.

Yeah.

So because my wife and I got to know a woman named Lenore Skenazy, who wrote a book called Free Range Kids.

I recommend this to everybody.

Free Range Kids.

Oh, good.

And your kid, what you said, you have three daughters, you said?