Jonathan Haidt

Yeah, so before- What do you point to?

So when you look at the data-

You see that time spent alone, when you compare, when you look at data from like the 1960s to 2014, it was kind of stable.

Americans spending time alone, spending time with friends.

Kind of the same, right?

So people spent kind of same amount of time with friends, same amount of time alone over those decades.

2014 marks a shift and there is a steep rise in time spent alone.

and a drop in time spent with friends.

And so what happens in 2014?

It is when the majority of Americans get a smartphone.

And it's not to say, again, we've said, you know, causality, correlation, which is it, but there is like, based on everything that we've talked about, my gosh, is there an association between that?

This is not to say that time spent alone, you know, when I share this data, people may say, you know, but I like spending time alone.

I'm not lonely.

I'm okay.

This is not about being an introvert or an extrovert.

It's not about, you know, you can have solitude and feel great and you're not lonely, but

But we are human beings and we are social creatures.

This is just how we are built evolutionarily.

And so that is a real red flag when you have this big jump in time spent alone, very much the same year.

And so my work focuses on adults, Jonathan, on kids.