Jonathan Haidt

And I think you on one of your episodes, you know that I'm a fan of this show and I actively listen to this.

I've told you this many times.

One of the – I think you had said on one of your episodes, right, that you have a friend who is very close to a AI founder.

I said this, yes.

Yeah.

And in public, the founder says all the right things.

And then behind closed doors, it's –

But when has morality ever been top of mind for a tech leader?

You might be thinking, if there's 0.111% chance, I'm not going to do it.

That's what I think as a doctor.

That's what you think as a social scientist.

But we're not AI leaders, right?

And what, in your perspective, is a meaningful life?

And how does it differ from Jonathan's?

to create an arc of a long and meaningful life in one day.

So what does that mean?

Spend a little bit of time in childhood.

So in wonder and play, even if it's for a few minutes, do something that brings you joy for joy's sake.

Spend a little bit of time in work.

We all know what that is.