Jonathan Haidt

You have older Gen Z. That's right.

So it's we as a society and it's we as parents.

Absolutely.

So there's two parts to the story.

The book is about how we've overprotected children in the real world, and that begins in the 1980s.

You're right.

And then the other half is we've underprotected them online.

And while that begins in the 1990s, it really super accelerates between 2010 and 2015.

And we'll come back to that.

But in terms of the overprotection, so in the 1980s,

We had the insurance crisis.

We had lawsuit fever.

Everybody sued anybody if anybody got hurt.

So for example, I had the high school record in my high school for the pole vault.

And I was shocked to discover that I still hold the record when I went back to my high school.

And the reason is not because I was so great.

It's because soon after I graduated high school in 1981, everybody was suing everybody and they canceled the pole vault because it's too dangerous.

So the 80s really is a time when everything, we try to make everything safe, otherwise you'll get sued.

We put padding down everywhere.

But your insight about how you had to not fall on a playground where everything is padded and a playground where you can't get hurt, you never get a chance to learn how to not get hurt.