Jonathan Rauch

And when you see that, and when you see people being dragged out of cars, and when you see the kind of rhetoric that Pete Hegseth has been using, there's an article about that, I think, in The Atlantic, I think, just today.

When you see memes that are displaying violence in hortatory terms, people repelling from helicopters to assault apartment buildings in the United States, when you see sharing on government

platforms of a children's comic book character with a machine gun, shooting up boats, killing all the people in them, and glorying in that, reveling in that, saying, isn't that great?

That's incompatible with the kind of society that our founders were trying to build.