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Jonathan Ross

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So when I look at perplexity, I look at perplexity as being perfectly positioned for the moment that the hallucination or really confabulation rate comes down. The moment that these models get good enough where you don't have to check the citations anymore, That's going to open up a whole set of industries. All of a sudden, you'll be able to do medical diagnoses from LLMs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So when I look at perplexity, I look at perplexity as being perfectly positioned for the moment that the hallucination or really confabulation rate comes down. The moment that these models get good enough where you don't have to check the citations anymore, That's going to open up a whole set of industries. All of a sudden, you'll be able to do medical diagnoses from LLMs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So when I look at perplexity, I look at perplexity as being perfectly positioned for the moment that the hallucination or really confabulation rate comes down. The moment that these models get good enough where you don't have to check the citations anymore, That's going to open up a whole set of industries. All of a sudden, you'll be able to do medical diagnoses from LLMs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You'll be able to do legal work from LLMs. Until then, it's like trying to create Uber before we had smartphones. It just doesn't make any sense. However, people are willing to use perplexity today. even though you have to check the citations. So they have an actual business that gets to continue. So like they're getting to sort of ride the wave.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You'll be able to do legal work from LLMs. Until then, it's like trying to create Uber before we had smartphones. It just doesn't make any sense. However, people are willing to use perplexity today. even though you have to check the citations. So they have an actual business that gets to continue. So like they're getting to sort of ride the wave.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You'll be able to do legal work from LLMs. Until then, it's like trying to create Uber before we had smartphones. It just doesn't make any sense. However, people are willing to use perplexity today. even though you have to check the citations. So they have an actual business that gets to continue. So like they're getting to sort of ride the wave.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And the moment that that tsunami of lack of confabulation or hallucination comes along, they're perfectly positioned. Each company has to find their own thing. And I would look at Suno as a great example of how things are being done around the product as opposed to just the models.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And the moment that that tsunami of lack of confabulation or hallucination comes along, they're perfectly positioned. Each company has to find their own thing. And I would look at Suno as a great example of how things are being done around the product as opposed to just the models.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And the moment that that tsunami of lack of confabulation or hallucination comes along, they're perfectly positioned. Each company has to find their own thing. And I would look at Suno as a great example of how things are being done around the product as opposed to just the models.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Disruption happens. If you're not able to pivot now, you're not going to be able to pivot later when you get disrupted anyway.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Disruption happens. If you're not able to pivot now, you're not going to be able to pivot later when you get disrupted anyway.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Disruption happens. If you're not able to pivot now, you're not going to be able to pivot later when you get disrupted anyway.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

How do you think about that? What you see is a bunch of people who are concerned about training and the need for it. And everyone's still thinking that most of compute is training. And that there's going to be less of it because someone trained a model on 2000 GPUs and the nerfed A800 version with slower memory or whatever it is. And they're like, oh, people aren't going to need as many chips.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

How do you think about that? What you see is a bunch of people who are concerned about training and the need for it. And everyone's still thinking that most of compute is training. And that there's going to be less of it because someone trained a model on 2000 GPUs and the nerfed A800 version with slower memory or whatever it is. And they're like, oh, people aren't going to need as many chips.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

How do you think about that? What you see is a bunch of people who are concerned about training and the need for it. And everyone's still thinking that most of compute is training. And that there's going to be less of it because someone trained a model on 2000 GPUs and the nerfed A800 version with slower memory or whatever it is. And they're like, oh, people aren't going to need as many chips.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But again, Jevin's paradox, right? The more you bring the cost down, the more people consume. So for the last five to six decades, like clockwork, once a decade, the cost of compute has gone down 1,000x. People buy 100,000x as much compute, spending 100 times as much. So every decade, they spend 100 times as much. So you make it cheaper, they want more.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But again, Jevin's paradox, right? The more you bring the cost down, the more people consume. So for the last five to six decades, like clockwork, once a decade, the cost of compute has gone down 1,000x. People buy 100,000x as much compute, spending 100 times as much. So every decade, they spend 100 times as much. So you make it cheaper, they want more.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But again, Jevin's paradox, right? The more you bring the cost down, the more people consume. So for the last five to six decades, like clockwork, once a decade, the cost of compute has gone down 1,000x. People buy 100,000x as much compute, spending 100 times as much. So every decade, they spend 100 times as much. So you make it cheaper, they want more.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

What's really happening is every time one of these models gets cheaper, we see our developer count just skyrocket. And then it comes back down a little bit, but the slope is higher than when it started. Better models create more demand for inference. More demand for inference then has people going, I should train a better model. And the cycle continues.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

What's really happening is every time one of these models gets cheaper, we see our developer count just skyrocket. And then it comes back down a little bit, but the slope is higher than when it started. Better models create more demand for inference. More demand for inference then has people going, I should train a better model. And the cycle continues.