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Jonathan Ross

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yes, it's probably the most significant concern. There are other concerns that's probably the most significant because people don't think. They're so used to using these services. When you use one of these other services, you might be shocked to hear this. When you say delete... What they do is they write delete right next to your data. They don't actually delete it. They just mark it, delete it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

When you later come back and ask for your data, they give it to you with the word delete right next to it. It's still there. And these are well-meaning companies. Do you really think like the CCP doesn't have all your data and isn't going to look it up later? Some governments are more aggressive than others.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

When you later come back and ask for your data, they give it to you with the word delete right next to it. It's still there. And these are well-meaning companies. Do you really think like the CCP doesn't have all your data and isn't going to look it up later? Some governments are more aggressive than others.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

When you later come back and ask for your data, they give it to you with the word delete right next to it. It's still there. And these are well-meaning companies. Do you really think like the CCP doesn't have all your data and isn't going to look it up later? Some governments are more aggressive than others.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And if they have access to your data, not even your data, it could be your next door neighbor's data. Your next door neighbor might put something in there that accidentally gives information away that makes you more vulnerable. Now the CCP has something. Maybe you had some package delivered and they put a complaint somewhere and whatever.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And if they have access to your data, not even your data, it could be your next door neighbor's data. Your next door neighbor might put something in there that accidentally gives information away that makes you more vulnerable. Now the CCP has something. Maybe you had some package delivered and they put a complaint somewhere and whatever.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And if they have access to your data, not even your data, it could be your next door neighbor's data. Your next door neighbor might put something in there that accidentally gives information away that makes you more vulnerable. Now the CCP has something. Maybe you had some package delivered and they put a complaint somewhere and whatever.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Like you might not even do it yourself, but other people around you, the health data of a spouse, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Like you might not even do it yourself, but other people around you, the health data of a spouse, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Like you might not even do it yourself, but other people around you, the health data of a spouse, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yes, but I don't think it's DeepSeek that's doing it. So you have to understand any company that operates in China and Hong Kong, the one country, two systems thing didn't quite work out as anticipated or maybe as anticipated, but not as stated. They have no choice. In 2016, when Grok started, we decided that we were not going to do business in China. This was not a geopolitical decision.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yes, but I don't think it's DeepSeek that's doing it. So you have to understand any company that operates in China and Hong Kong, the one country, two systems thing didn't quite work out as anticipated or maybe as anticipated, but not as stated. They have no choice. In 2016, when Grok started, we decided that we were not going to do business in China. This was not a geopolitical decision.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yes, but I don't think it's DeepSeek that's doing it. So you have to understand any company that operates in China and Hong Kong, the one country, two systems thing didn't quite work out as anticipated or maybe as anticipated, but not as stated. They have no choice. In 2016, when Grok started, we decided that we were not going to do business in China. This was not a geopolitical decision.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

This was purely commercial. And what it was, was we kept seeing companies like Google, Meta fail over and over again, trying to win in China. The formula is actually pretty simple. You're not allowed to make net money. You're allowed to spend more money in China. But the moment that you start to become profitable or anywhere near profitable, all of a sudden there's a thumb on the scale.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

This was purely commercial. And what it was, was we kept seeing companies like Google, Meta fail over and over again, trying to win in China. The formula is actually pretty simple. You're not allowed to make net money. You're allowed to spend more money in China. But the moment that you start to become profitable or anywhere near profitable, all of a sudden there's a thumb on the scale.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

This was purely commercial. And what it was, was we kept seeing companies like Google, Meta fail over and over again, trying to win in China. The formula is actually pretty simple. You're not allowed to make net money. You're allowed to spend more money in China. But the moment that you start to become profitable or anywhere near profitable, all of a sudden there's a thumb on the scale.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Companies that manufacture a lot in China and send more money to China can actually be successful there. They can sell things there. Yeah, it's a pretty simple formula. You must send more money to China than you take out. But at the same time, they also require that you hand over all data. And not only that, they also require that certain answers be in a form that they find acceptable.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Companies that manufacture a lot in China and send more money to China can actually be successful there. They can sell things there. Yeah, it's a pretty simple formula. You must send more money to China than you take out. But at the same time, they also require that you hand over all data. And not only that, they also require that certain answers be in a form that they find acceptable.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Companies that manufacture a lot in China and send more money to China can actually be successful there. They can sell things there. Yeah, it's a pretty simple formula. You must send more money to China than you take out. But at the same time, they also require that you hand over all data. And not only that, they also require that certain answers be in a form that they find acceptable.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So, for example, one of the more common ways ones that you see about deep seek right now is when you ask about Tiananmen Square, if the temperature is low on the model and temperature, we don't need to get into that. It's complicated, but it's how like low means low creativity. Then it's actually going to give you an answer that basically says, I don't want to talk about that.