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Jonathan Ross

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So, for example, one of the more common ways ones that you see about deep seek right now is when you ask about Tiananmen Square, if the temperature is low on the model and temperature, we don't need to get into that. It's complicated, but it's how like low means low creativity. Then it's actually going to give you an answer that basically says, I don't want to talk about that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So, for example, one of the more common ways ones that you see about deep seek right now is when you ask about Tiananmen Square, if the temperature is low on the model and temperature, we don't need to get into that. It's complicated, but it's how like low means low creativity. Then it's actually going to give you an answer that basically says, I don't want to talk about that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

It's a sensitive topic, but you ask it about other things that are sensitive topics elsewhere in the world. And it'll just answer. But what happens if the CCP requires that they start to say, what about TikTok? Should it be banned? Absolutely not. Here's why. And it gives you a cogent reason. That's kind of scary.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

It's a sensitive topic, but you ask it about other things that are sensitive topics elsewhere in the world. And it'll just answer. But what happens if the CCP requires that they start to say, what about TikTok? Should it be banned? Absolutely not. Here's why. And it gives you a cogent reason. That's kind of scary.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

It's a sensitive topic, but you ask it about other things that are sensitive topics elsewhere in the world. And it'll just answer. But what happens if the CCP requires that they start to say, what about TikTok? Should it be banned? Absolutely not. Here's why. And it gives you a cogent reason. That's kind of scary.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yeah. And worse. So we up until recently refused to run any Chinese models and we had to make a very difficult decision on DeepSeek. We now have it on our API at Grok.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yeah. And worse. So we up until recently refused to run any Chinese models and we had to make a very difficult decision on DeepSeek. We now have it on our API at Grok.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yeah. And worse. So we up until recently refused to run any Chinese models and we had to make a very difficult decision on DeepSeek. We now have it on our API at Grok.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So what it came down to was when we saw DeepSeek become the number one app on the app store, the realization was people were going to be putting their data in there. And what we want to make sure is that you actually have an option. So we store nothing. There is no like delete or whatever. Like there is just, we'd store nothing. We don't even have hard drives. We have DRAM.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So what it came down to was when we saw DeepSeek become the number one app on the app store, the realization was people were going to be putting their data in there. And what we want to make sure is that you actually have an option. So we store nothing. There is no like delete or whatever. Like there is just, we'd store nothing. We don't even have hard drives. We have DRAM.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

So what it came down to was when we saw DeepSeek become the number one app on the app store, the realization was people were going to be putting their data in there. And what we want to make sure is that you actually have an option. So we store nothing. There is no like delete or whatever. Like there is just, we'd store nothing. We don't even have hard drives. We have DRAM.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And when the power goes off, everything goes away. So we wanted to make sure that there was an alternative where when you use DeepSeek's model, your data is not going to the CCP. Well, right now, the CCP is probably going to be taking the safeties off the weapons. They're going to be like, why are you making this model open source? Please direct your data towards us.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And when the power goes off, everything goes away. So we wanted to make sure that there was an alternative where when you use DeepSeek's model, your data is not going to the CCP. Well, right now, the CCP is probably going to be taking the safeties off the weapons. They're going to be like, why are you making this model open source? Please direct your data towards us.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And when the power goes off, everything goes away. So we wanted to make sure that there was an alternative where when you use DeepSeek's model, your data is not going to the CCP. Well, right now, the CCP is probably going to be taking the safeties off the weapons. They're going to be like, why are you making this model open source? Please direct your data towards us.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Go win a bunch of customers this way. But now we want the data. Right. And so they're going to change the strategy. But remember, DeepSeek is a real I mean, it's a hedge fund. They're doing this themselves and they're just influenced by the CCP. And the CCP, now that they've seen the success of this, might see it as yet another TikTok.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Go win a bunch of customers this way. But now we want the data. Right. And so they're going to change the strategy. But remember, DeepSeek is a real I mean, it's a hedge fund. They're doing this themselves and they're just influenced by the CCP. And the CCP, now that they've seen the success of this, might see it as yet another TikTok.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Go win a bunch of customers this way. But now we want the data. Right. And so they're going to change the strategy. But remember, DeepSeek is a real I mean, it's a hedge fund. They're doing this themselves and they're just influenced by the CCP. And the CCP, now that they've seen the success of this, might see it as yet another TikTok.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

One question to ask is, are we going to be talking about R1 for the next six months? And the answer is absolutely not. We might be talking about R2 and R3 and R4, but R1 was one shot. The question is, are they going to keep coming up with very interesting things? Are we going to cat and mouse it? Is everyone going to learn from this? The biggest problem is we've

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

One question to ask is, are we going to be talking about R1 for the next six months? And the answer is absolutely not. We might be talking about R2 and R3 and R4, but R1 was one shot. The question is, are they going to keep coming up with very interesting things? Are we going to cat and mouse it? Is everyone going to learn from this? The biggest problem is we've

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

One question to ask is, are we going to be talking about R1 for the next six months? And the answer is absolutely not. We might be talking about R2 and R3 and R4, but R1 was one shot. The question is, are they going to keep coming up with very interesting things? Are we going to cat and mouse it? Is everyone going to learn from this? The biggest problem is we've