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Jonathan Ross

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442 total appearances

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You can literally log in, you can swipe credit card, whatever, and just like pay and get GPUs to use. So export laws are necessary then? They're good, but the problem is it's like the Minagino line. You just go around it. So you need to like seal it up a little more. There's a little bit of room left to go here.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You can literally log in, you can swipe credit card, whatever, and just like pay and get GPUs to use. So export laws are necessary then? They're good, but the problem is it's like the Minagino line. You just go around it. So you need to like seal it up a little more. There's a little bit of room left to go here.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You can literally log in, you can swipe credit card, whatever, and just like pay and get GPUs to use. So export laws are necessary then? They're good, but the problem is it's like the Minagino line. You just go around it. So you need to like seal it up a little more. There's a little bit of room left to go here.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Keep in mind, OpenAI was effectively subsidizing accidentally the training of this model because they were using OpenAI, right? And rumors are that OpenAI may not be completely profitable yet in terms of every token in the API, like on the subscriptions maybe, but in the API.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Keep in mind, OpenAI was effectively subsidizing accidentally the training of this model because they were using OpenAI, right? And rumors are that OpenAI may not be completely profitable yet in terms of every token in the API, like on the subscriptions maybe, but in the API.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Keep in mind, OpenAI was effectively subsidizing accidentally the training of this model because they were using OpenAI, right? And rumors are that OpenAI may not be completely profitable yet in terms of every token in the API, like on the subscriptions maybe, but in the API.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And so each one that they generate, effectively, they were losing a little bit of money while DeepSeq was getting training data. Now, by the way, OpeningEye probably still has that data. In theory, they could just probably train on it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And so each one that they generate, effectively, they were losing a little bit of money while DeepSeq was getting training data. Now, by the way, OpeningEye probably still has that data. In theory, they could just probably train on it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And so each one that they generate, effectively, they were losing a little bit of money while DeepSeq was getting training data. Now, by the way, OpeningEye probably still has that data. In theory, they could just probably train on it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I'm not aware of where it would be an export issue. I do know that many people log into cloud providers and just use them from remote. One of the problems, so we actually block IP addresses from China, and I believe we might be unique in doing that. It's also a little bit fruitless because someone could just like rent a server anywhere, log into us from there. Then there's nothing we can check.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I'm not aware of where it would be an export issue. I do know that many people log into cloud providers and just use them from remote. One of the problems, so we actually block IP addresses from China, and I believe we might be unique in doing that. It's also a little bit fruitless because someone could just like rent a server anywhere, log into us from there. Then there's nothing we can check.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I'm not aware of where it would be an export issue. I do know that many people log into cloud providers and just use them from remote. One of the problems, so we actually block IP addresses from China, and I believe we might be unique in doing that. It's also a little bit fruitless because someone could just like rent a server anywhere, log into us from there. Then there's nothing we can check.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yes, it's probably the most significant concern. There are other concerns that's probably the most significant because people don't think. They're so used to using these services. When you use one of these other services, you might be shocked to hear this. When you say delete... What they do is they write delete right next to your data. They don't actually delete it. They just mark it, delete it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yes, it's probably the most significant concern. There are other concerns that's probably the most significant because people don't think. They're so used to using these services. When you use one of these other services, you might be shocked to hear this. When you say delete... What they do is they write delete right next to your data. They don't actually delete it. They just mark it, delete it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Yes, it's probably the most significant concern. There are other concerns that's probably the most significant because people don't think. They're so used to using these services. When you use one of these other services, you might be shocked to hear this. When you say delete... What they do is they write delete right next to your data. They don't actually delete it. They just mark it, delete it.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

When you later come back and ask for your data, they give it to you with the word delete right next to it. It's still there. And these are well-meaning companies. Do you really think like the CCP doesn't have all your data and isn't going to look it up later? Some governments are more aggressive than others.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

When you later come back and ask for your data, they give it to you with the word delete right next to it. It's still there. And these are well-meaning companies. Do you really think like the CCP doesn't have all your data and isn't going to look it up later? Some governments are more aggressive than others.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

When you later come back and ask for your data, they give it to you with the word delete right next to it. It's still there. And these are well-meaning companies. Do you really think like the CCP doesn't have all your data and isn't going to look it up later? Some governments are more aggressive than others.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And if they have access to your data, not even your data, it could be your next door neighbor's data. Your next door neighbor might put something in there that accidentally gives information away that makes you more vulnerable. Now the CCP has something. Maybe you had some package delivered and they put a complaint somewhere and whatever.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

And if they have access to your data, not even your data, it could be your next door neighbor's data. Your next door neighbor might put something in there that accidentally gives information away that makes you more vulnerable. Now the CCP has something. Maybe you had some package delivered and they put a complaint somewhere and whatever.