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Jonathan Ross

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Agree. Especially for the pricing, because they're losing their pricing power on this. I can't speak for Sam Altman or OpenAI or anything like that. But if I was in that position, I would be gearing up to open source my models in response, because it's pretty clear you're going to lose that. So you might as well try and win all the users and the love from open sourcing.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Agree. Especially for the pricing, because they're losing their pricing power on this. I can't speak for Sam Altman or OpenAI or anything like that. But if I was in that position, I would be gearing up to open source my models in response, because it's pretty clear you're going to lose that. So you might as well try and win all the users and the love from open sourcing.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Otherwise, like you're already at a point where you're going to be using your other powers like brand and so on. I don't know why you try and keep that internal anymore.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Otherwise, like you're already at a point where you're going to be using your other powers like brand and so on. I don't know why you try and keep that internal anymore.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Otherwise, like you're already at a point where you're going to be using your other powers like brand and so on. I don't know why you try and keep that internal anymore.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But how would it cannibalize it any other way? Remember, distribution, right? How many people are going to buy something because they trust Dell? People trust Dell. Dell has earned their reputation over the course of decades. Supermicro built some interesting hardware, but look at what they've been going through recently. you know, there's a pro and con, right? Cheaper, trusted.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But how would it cannibalize it any other way? Remember, distribution, right? How many people are going to buy something because they trust Dell? People trust Dell. Dell has earned their reputation over the course of decades. Supermicro built some interesting hardware, but look at what they've been going through recently. you know, there's a pro and con, right? Cheaper, trusted.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

But how would it cannibalize it any other way? Remember, distribution, right? How many people are going to buy something because they trust Dell? People trust Dell. Dell has earned their reputation over the course of decades. Supermicro built some interesting hardware, but look at what they've been going through recently. you know, there's a pro and con, right? Cheaper, trusted.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You got to make a decision. Open AI has been around for a while. Most people think of them synonymously as AI. They could just switch to deep seek and people would still use them. It's brand. It's one of the seven powers.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You got to make a decision. Open AI has been around for a while. Most people think of them synonymously as AI. They could just switch to deep seek and people would still use them. It's brand. It's one of the seven powers.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

You got to make a decision. Open AI has been around for a while. Most people think of them synonymously as AI. They could just switch to deep seek and people would still use them. It's brand. It's one of the seven powers.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I would. And there's probably more cleverness. They could probably strike some deals before they do it or whatever, but that would be the move that I would make. And also it would be a position of strength. The only problem is the timing because if it happens right after deep seek, it looks like a response as opposed to an intentional thing. So I don't know how you do that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I would. And there's probably more cleverness. They could probably strike some deals before they do it or whatever, but that would be the move that I would make. And also it would be a position of strength. The only problem is the timing because if it happens right after deep seek, it looks like a response as opposed to an intentional thing. So I don't know how you do that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I would. And there's probably more cleverness. They could probably strike some deals before they do it or whatever, but that would be the move that I would make. And also it would be a position of strength. The only problem is the timing because if it happens right after deep seek, it looks like a response as opposed to an intentional thing. So I don't know how you do that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Do you not just own in it's a response? Maybe, you know, we had to respond. We're better. Let's see which model people choose.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Do you not just own in it's a response? Maybe, you know, we had to respond. We're better. Let's see which model people choose.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

Do you not just own in it's a response? Maybe, you know, we had to respond. We're better. Let's see which model people choose.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I think one of the ways that we've been looking at LLMs is a little bit like you look at an open source project, software project like Linux or something. The thing is, Linux has switching cost. And I think what we've discovered is LLMs have no switching cost whatsoever.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I think one of the ways that we've been looking at LLMs is a little bit like you look at an open source project, software project like Linux or something. The thing is, Linux has switching cost. And I think what we've discovered is LLMs have no switching cost whatsoever.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Deepseek Special: Is Deepseek a Weapon of the CCP | How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | Why $500BN for Stargate is Not Enough | The Future of Inference, NVIDIA and Foundation Models with Jonathan Ross @ Groq

I think one of the ways that we've been looking at LLMs is a little bit like you look at an open source project, software project like Linux or something. The thing is, Linux has switching cost. And I think what we've discovered is LLMs have no switching cost whatsoever.