Jonathan Roumie
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264 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Mar 2025
Jonathan Roumie’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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You know, it's not about, well, if I do this exactly X, Y, and Z. I mean, Jesus' whole thing, issue with the Pharisees, you know, you cleanse the outside of a cup, but then the stuff that's already inside you is just, is rotten. Your thoughts and your heart is rotten. So it doesn't matter that you wash your hands before you eat this and you eat that.
Like he was calling out the Pharisees at one point. for being so specific and attentive to the law. But meanwhile, he could see in their hearts that they just had malice and they had evil and they weren't doing the right thing for the priests of the time, what they should have been doing. The same thing.
It's like fasting just to see if you can get through it doesn't really serve anyone other than your own ego. That's right. But offering up the pain that comes with the fasting, the denial that comes with fasting, the hunger pains, that then gets applied in a spiritual way. That then... assign spiritual rewards to you by offering that for someone. No, that's right.
Well, I think you have to ask yourself, well, why is he mad? Yeah. And what is he mad about? And who are the Pharisees to him? And I think it goes back to what I was referencing in that here you have who are people that are supposed to be models of God's law and rule and grace. The Pharisees, like the priests, the people that the people look up to for spiritual advice and wisdom and guidance.
And because Jesus can read souls and know what's in their hearts, he sees they're probably the worst of them. And he knows that they have ill will towards him and they don't have the interests of the people in their hearts because they're so enraptured by sin. the letters of the law.
He said, you're so concerned about the letter of the law that you that you're not even considered about the heart of the law, which is, you know, God's mercy and justice. And, and how are these people? How are you treating these people? I mean, the fact that they would go every year on Passover, the poorest of the poor trying to bring their offerings and sacrifices
that through extortion were getting charged 500%, you know, probably more than what they should have. I don't know the exact numbers, but like the point was that they were being extorted every step of the way by their own leaders, these Pharisees. And that for him was the straw that broke the camel's back. And the next day he's clearing the temple. Flipping the tables over.
Flipping tables, whipping, you know, using a whip to clear money changers' stands and, you know, just outraged. God's righteous anger. Yeah, it's not the gentle Jesus at all. No, no. No, excuse me. No, it's not. It's, um, it's, it's the fury of the Lord really come to visit them. Uh, it's not, you know, fire from heaven, but it's fire on earth in this man's eyes and, and, uh,
Also, you know, the precursor to what sets him up for the crucifixion. I mean, I think on some level he knows, number one, he has to make an impression and he is vindicated through his actions because of who they are, who the Pharisees truly are deep down inside.
but also that this will then continue the chain of events that have been set into motion that will put him on the cross so that he can redeem mankind.
I mean, I think, I think, you know, with power, you know, there's greed, there's hurting people at, you know, at someone else's expense. Yes. There's, you know, taking advantage. When you have all of these forces that try to... I think, take control over a society and the people through power, through influence. And there's nothing that those people can do.
I mean, it's the definition of injustice.
And God is about justice. Blessed are those who thirst for righteousness, who thirst for justice, basically.
it's, it's, it was, it was the thing that one, it was one of the things that was most important to him and that people experience, you know, to have justice and feel human and be seen and be, and be not discounted because of their status, because of their, you know, financial, um, you know, situation because of who they were, who, what family they were born into or what, what, what, what, what cased for lack of a better term that they were born into, you know, um,
So I think it was something that... It was a last stand for him, basically, when he cleared the temple. All the preaching and the teaching didn't have enough of an effect on the Pharisees for them to change what they were doing.
So I think he had to show, don't tell. He had to show and not tell.
Yeah. Gospel plus, I'll say. It's, you know, because as a TV show, it's not always, you know, the scriptures, as they are, don't always give us the full picture of a conversation. They definitely don't. Of a character, of a person. So we have to, through, you know, biblical, a group of biblical scholars that, and advisors that help us and give insight into the things that we're writing.
We have to craft these plausible, hopefully authentic backstories that create believable characters that could have existed in the first century, that augment the world that the Gospels give us a glimpse into. So, a lot of it is scripture, yes, but then there is some creative license taken just to be able to make a good TV show. Because at the end of the day, this isn't the Bible.
We're not saying this is the Bible. We have a TV show, first and foremost, that is based on the Gospels and hopefully is compelling enough to... for you to really get hooked into it and binge it just like you would binge any other TV show. And then start asking yourself, well, what did Jesus really say? Did he say these things? Is this character really like this? I want to explore.
And then if you can get people to read the Bible and then... want to have a relationship or even explore what it means to have faith if you've never had faith or even be curious about Christ. I mean, inevitably, that is the relationship in a person's life that will change their life.
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