Jonathan V. Last

Yeah, and that I don't know the answer to. As much as I disagree with the so-called post-liberals who you alluded to earlier, these are the people like Adrian Vermeule and Patrick Deneen who think liberalism is over and we need to go back to a kind of traditionalism.

Yeah, and that I don't know the answer to. As much as I disagree with the so-called post-liberals who you alluded to earlier, these are the people like Adrian Vermeule and Patrick Deneen who think liberalism is over and we need to go back to a kind of traditionalism.

Yeah, and that I don't know the answer to. As much as I disagree with the so-called post-liberals who you alluded to earlier, these are the people like Adrian Vermeule and Patrick Deneen who think liberalism is over and we need to go back to a kind of traditionalism.

I don't think that's right, but there's a core truth in the idea that it is really hard to be a person of faith in a modern secular society where you're dealing with cell phones and consumerism and You know, if you're conservative, you're hearing on Fox News that your kids are going to come back transgender from school and you won't even be told about it.

I don't think that's right, but there's a core truth in the idea that it is really hard to be a person of faith in a modern secular society where you're dealing with cell phones and consumerism and You know, if you're conservative, you're hearing on Fox News that your kids are going to come back transgender from school and you won't even be told about it.

I don't think that's right, but there's a core truth in the idea that it is really hard to be a person of faith in a modern secular society where you're dealing with cell phones and consumerism and You know, if you're conservative, you're hearing on Fox News that your kids are going to come back transgender from school and you won't even be told about it.

So all of that creates a challenging environment. And I don't know if Christians can recover the teachings of Jesus at a large enough scale to win people back. And I can't promise that moving back to Christlike witness will revive the church. I can only say that what they've been doing, basically turning the white evangelical church into a Republican Party auxiliary, has not worked. It has failed.

So all of that creates a challenging environment. And I don't know if Christians can recover the teachings of Jesus at a large enough scale to win people back. And I can't promise that moving back to Christlike witness will revive the church. I can only say that what they've been doing, basically turning the white evangelical church into a Republican Party auxiliary, has not worked. It has failed.

So all of that creates a challenging environment. And I don't know if Christians can recover the teachings of Jesus at a large enough scale to win people back. And I can't promise that moving back to Christlike witness will revive the church. I can only say that what they've been doing, basically turning the white evangelical church into a Republican Party auxiliary, has not worked. It has failed.

It is shrinking the church, and it is tarring the church with the brush of hypocrisy. There is nothing Christlike at all about the person and movement that white evangelicals have elevated and embraced.

It is shrinking the church, and it is tarring the church with the brush of hypocrisy. There is nothing Christlike at all about the person and movement that white evangelicals have elevated and embraced.

It is shrinking the church, and it is tarring the church with the brush of hypocrisy. There is nothing Christlike at all about the person and movement that white evangelicals have elevated and embraced.

And I think their odds, at least, of winning back a following to Christianity and to democracy would be better if they followed the gospel of Jesus Christ instead of the gospel of, say, Donald Trump.

And I think their odds, at least, of winning back a following to Christianity and to democracy would be better if they followed the gospel of Jesus Christ instead of the gospel of, say, Donald Trump.

And I think their odds, at least, of winning back a following to Christianity and to democracy would be better if they followed the gospel of Jesus Christ instead of the gospel of, say, Donald Trump.

Well, you know, to me, this work on Christianity – so, I'm very much an outsider to Christianity. But I got to know – a whole bunch of pastors and some theologians and, you know, people that you know who are deeply Christian, the late Michael Gerson, but Pete Wehner, who you know, and of course, you know, David. I love all these folks. Yeah, David French. Yeah, I love them.

Well, you know, to me, this work on Christianity – so, I'm very much an outsider to Christianity. But I got to know – a whole bunch of pastors and some theologians and, you know, people that you know who are deeply Christian, the late Michael Gerson, but Pete Wehner, who you know, and of course, you know, David. I love all these folks. Yeah, David French. Yeah, I love them.

Well, you know, to me, this work on Christianity – so, I'm very much an outsider to Christianity. But I got to know – a whole bunch of pastors and some theologians and, you know, people that you know who are deeply Christian, the late Michael Gerson, but Pete Wehner, who you know, and of course, you know, David. I love all these folks. Yeah, David French. Yeah, I love them.

And Russell and a local pastor who's become a close friend and many, many others. And here's what you learn is that The church of fear, this sharp, politicized, partisan, divisive church that's all hunkered down and wants to bring the culture wars to the pulpit, that does not remotely speak for all Christians. There is a hunger in Christian world for those principles of Jesus.

And Russell and a local pastor who's become a close friend and many, many others. And here's what you learn is that The church of fear, this sharp, politicized, partisan, divisive church that's all hunkered down and wants to bring the culture wars to the pulpit, that does not remotely speak for all Christians. There is a hunger in Christian world for those principles of Jesus.