Jordan B. Peterson

distinctly wasn't stasis or homeostasis.

It wasn't something static.

It was something dynamic and mobile and you might say, well,

we move forward in our life.

It's a journey like the Exodus journey.

Maybe it's always a journey from tyranny into the desert to the promised land.

And that would mean that the spirit that moves us is a mobile spirit and that what God is isn't static enough to be encapsulated in anything that doesn't move.

You can build the right container, but the container itself has to chase after the spirit that moves us forward into the adventure of our life.

You can see this as well as an ennobling of the human, of human destiny.

You know, in the nihilistic world,

everything is gone in a billion years and what the hell difference does it make what you do now anyways and here's there's an insistence that despite our fragility and limitation that there's something so valuable about proper ordered free striving among free men and women let's say that God himself takes an interest in that and you can be cynical about that but I don't think the cynicism helps much because it's very hard on you in your life if you're cynical and

I think instead you could be open to that as a possibility that people have a real role to play in being, and that the signal of that role is the fact that you can find yourself embedded in some movement forward, let's say, that's deeply meaningful.

And we know what deep means, and we have a sense that there are levels of meaning, and so

Is it absolutely impossible to posit that we might have a real place in the order of being and that what we do actually matters?

I think that's actually a more frightening concept than the notion that what we do doesn't matter.

So you're suggesting if there wasn't a veil, there'd be...

Everything would be so understandable to us that we could just follow it like automatons.

Right, then you're back to the pharaoh in a way.

I think it's important also to keep in mind here that the distinction between, even though they're very closely related, revelation and ritual.

And you can have, we all know this in our lives, you can have an epiphany.