Jordan B. Peterson

And so you could say,

metaphorically maybe, that there's a longing for becoming that's implicit in being.

And then there's an adventure in limitation that isn't there in that which is unlimited.

And maybe you have the best of both worlds if you have limitation and lack of limitation.

Then you might say too,

how do you deal with the catastrophe of limitation?

And that goes back to Greg's point to some degree, which is, well, you ally yourself with a veiled form of what's unlimited, and that fortifies you, and that way you can bear the catastrophe of being without floating away because of your lightness, that you're still in relationship with the infinite, and that gives you the courage.

And then if you're skeptical, you might say, well, are you in relationship with the infinite?

It's like I would say, you're in a relationship of some sort with the infinite because there it is.

You're encountering it all the time and then the question only is, well, is the relationship heartening and helpful or is it destructive and does it engender nihilism and hopelessness?

You're stuck with it.

I mean, people know that when they look up at the night sky.

You know, you're faced with the infinite no matter what.

Well, I mean, one of the questions, well, it seems that because the infinite gave rise to the finite, right?

When push comes to shove, I think the seculars think the same thing.

And I would say the reason I think that is because of the Nuremberg Judgment.

The same thing, that in some sense that the spirit of the cosmos itself can be, what, ridden with sorrow because of the magnitude of the transgression.

Because the Nuremberg judgment was that some things are wrong.

right, the crimes against the Jews, the Holocaust.

In some cosmic sense, that was wrong, right?