Jordan Harbinger

We have no idea what that stuff is doing to us long term, like you said.

So, yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

So vaping actually just makes it like too easy to just do more of it.

Yeah, and you've got a tiny USB drive that has five packs of cigarettes in it or something basically equivalent, and it's cheaper.

Yeah.

Yeah, and you can travel with it, and it doesn't smell.

I mean, right, there's just too many advantages to that.

Yeah, patches, yeah.

Right.

I've never been a smoker like you are, but I can see how you're also addicted to everything that goes along with smoking, right?

It's more like quitting coffee than anything, probably.

Your cravings for caffeine, those are going to be over in a couple days, but you're not going to forget the fact that you like coffee with your breakfast and the way the beans smell in the morning and the grinding and the making the thing and the...

sound the foam milk foam or make like there's a whole there's a whole ritual around it there's a coffee brand called ritual because that there's ritual around it yeah and zin's working getting people to pick up somewhat healthier habits so giving up smoking in exchange for zin's yeah yeah and the other thing too is when all you have left is the nicotine

Right.

No one thinks Zinns look cool because they don't look like anything when they go in your mouth, right?

It's like having a piece of candy in your cheek.

The bassist of Guns N' Roses?

Yeah, well, he was maybe shocked that a nine-year-old was smoking because of him.