Jordan Kounelis

If we're talking about history, if we want to go back a long way, they hold the record for the largest margin of defeat in a final.

But I actually think it's going to be a high-scoring, open kind of game because that's the way the Hurricanes want to play.

And here's a stat for you.

Brad Shields, friend of the show,

Chance to become the only Hurricane Devil and two Super Rugby titles for the team.

Yeah, that's right, and Tyrell Lomax put in a big shift that day as well.

Yeah, you're right.

I 100% agree with you in terms of what he can do, but I also agree with you in that every story about Ethan Mbaka ends the same way, which is he got hurt.

So whether that is part of the selection thinking, where it's like, are we just carrying this guy for a little bit?

When we could take someone who doesn't have an injury record.

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

But I can see it maybe a little bit higher.

I don't know.

I don't want to jinx it.

Pretty devastated, mate.

I got home at about 1 o'clock last night.

I think I stayed at the ceiling until about 3.

Were the lights on?

No, lights weren't on, but I don't know, maybe they should have been.

It was, yeah, last night was a tough night.