Jordan Schneider

And, um,

It didn't sink into me until I lived in that separate ecosystem and everything that I kind of assumed was like baked in or took for granted actually surfaced to me as like actual product managers or decisions that policymakers made to create a sort of like different world.

way of being almost in mainland China versus the rest of the world.

So that's like step one.

Zooming way out from where did this decoupling come from and where is it going?

It is really messy, man, because there are not easy takeaways.

Um, and there are not clean lines that I think either country really wants to draw.

So from 1949 to 1973, there was basically no technological or commercial contact between the U S and.

China.

The U.S.

didn't even recognize China or mainland China until that time.

You know, for for American diplomatic purposes, Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT in Taiwan were like the rightful owners of mainland China.

So

Oh, amazing.

I hope she has a great time.

So, you know, 1973, we have the Sino-Soviet split where Mao decides that he's sick of Khrushchev's BS and sees an advantage in becoming better friends with America.

And all of a sudden we have this conflict

I would say 50 year arc of actual pretty dramatic U.S.

and Chinese economic technological and even up until the 1990s military entanglement where America had this idea that during the Cold War that supporting Chinese development would help gain an edge over the Soviet Union and then

Afterwards, that morphed into, oh, this is an important emerging economy.