Jordi Hays

The goat, Satya.

But wasn't he like a rising PM?

Of course people knew him.

Insane aura.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

Linear TV execs at the time, were they saying, like, no one's ever going to put dollars against YouTube because of that UGC risk?

Were people saying that?

I'm super interested in every platform that has traffic and usage is different.

Just screen space on a website is different than screen space on Instagram is different than screen space on

a Google search result.

What were the unique challenges with building an ad product for YouTube, given the consumption habits and the state that people come to YouTube in?

Please tell me you were pitching them on short form vertical video on LinkedIn back when you were there.

Because they finally added it.

So, yeah, what was the experience like?

It's too addictive.

I spend four, five, sometimes six hours on LinkedIn just scrolling on the vertical video net.

Yeah, well, he also has, like, you know, he clearly picked up people say, you know, the derogatory, like, oh, you're basic.

He flipped that around and tried to turn it into a positive with Amazon Basics.

Is the business getting more, you know, running the firm getting more fun now that you have over a decade of investments that are kind of, you know, some of the most exciting companies in hard tech are the ones that were started 10, you know, 20 in the case of SpaceX 20 years ago, things like that.