Jordi Visser

And so I think the private credit world is being dragged into the software world.

And what people should realize is we're now having trouble with anything built on code.

So energy companies, which used to make or they may still make up the highest percentage of the high yield market,

They're not in trouble.

And the reason they're not in trouble is because we need excess power in the future and oil prices are stable.

The problem for, again, technology companies is the pace of change and the fact that we have this deflationary spiral, which makes it very difficult.

And so credit, which is a long duration, you're lending people for long periods of time.

they've become an issue and like a run on a bank, investors want money back.

So there's a follow-up story today about how they ended up getting that money.

It doesn't read too well.

I'll leave it as whether the story is true or not, but they talked about bragging, no, these were 99.7% par.

We got them done, but it seems like one of the companies they sold them to

is a company they're involved with.

Then there was a bunch of pension funds that were brought up in this.

And I'm sure the pension funds are now gonna be checked like, were these good assets?

And if they were good assets and worth what they were,

Again, when you're in a Ponzi scheme, and I'm not saying Blue Owl is a Ponzi scheme, but I am saying if you're in a Ponzi scheme and you have a lot of money, as long as you have some cash, you can go.

So if you're selling off the best assets to get cash to give out, unfortunately you end up in a situation where I think the skepticism on these businesses, since no one knows for sure, especially in private credit, is gonna remain as long as the deflationary pressures and technology stay.

a scenario that could happen this year that would drive the market down significantly.

And even though it wouldn't stay down, the one thing I know about credit is when you start seeing the charts that I'll show this weekend, which are, okay, we don't have high yield spreads widening out, but we do have the tech high yield spreads widening out.