Jordy Cray

But I consider myself a teen mom historian. So I wanted to show, you know, different sides of my personality and, you know, things I enjoy. So when I started talking about teen mom, that kind of blew up, too, because I, you know, have a lot of opinions. That's why you're here. Yeah, exactly.

I just rewatched you're 16 and pregnant the other day, like in preparation of this. And I remember God right after you gave birth, she gave you like the bracelets. Yeah. Yeah. Do you? And she's like, I'll never take it off. And so like, what'd she do with that? Like where, where, where's all that? You know, I don't I don't know. I still have mine.

Thanks for having me here. I'm very excited. I was telling Kale, I was like, this must be how Kelly Clarkson felt when she won American Idol.

Right.

Right.

You can't really tell.

No.

That's tea right there.

Well, I appreciate you telling me that because that changes a few things for me.

I think that's bullshit that they, you know, they can be so greedy in that sense and then turn around and act like they're this, you know, morally, you know. Righteous. Christian, you know, people of God, which, I mean, I'm sure they are. No, yeah. But at the same time, let's cut the bullshit.

It's not so black and white.

If you had to pinpoint what it is, what do you think it is?

It's weird. It doesn't make any sense. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't in this type of situation. One thing that shook me, Tyler, when we were on our live is when I asked you like what are like your regrets about it and you said you wish you chose different parents for Carly. Yeah.

I want to hear your opinion. No, it's fine. So I was just having a hard time wrapping my mind around – I know that there's contention between Brandon and Teresa, and there has been for quite some time. But venting on social media, I felt like hurt your guys' cause because we know some of the Teen Mom fans are crazy. I mean, I'm crazy, but I'm not that crazy.

Did they reach out to Dawn and say anything about that? Did you get any response from that?

No, I would have understood that. Okay, so there's no difference in those two answers. Does that make sense? Do you take that back and say, I wish that if we knew how far Teen Mom and everything would have gone, I wish that we would have kept her?

Yeah.

Right, yeah.

But it gets them all riled up and then they start, you know, now we know everybody's involved now. So I feel like it just causes a bigger issue and would piss off Brandon and Teresa even more.

She wasn't forthcoming with certain things.

Yeah, I wanted to ask, have Brandon and Teresa ever said to you guys that now that she's getting older, like Does she get recognized? Do they get recognized? Like, is that a problem for them? Because Carly, I'm assuming, I don't know, looks just like your other kids. So do they get recognized in public?

Yeah, I understand.

Who asks for money for a picture of the back of the head? That's crazy. So that's what I'm saying.

Because everybody's involved. Everybody has, like, opinions now. Everybody, you know, more backlash for you guys, more backlash for Brandon and Teresa.

In addition to the show.

I feel like although it's a private matter, you guys live your life in public. So I don't know if anything's really private. So that's what's kind of like difficult about it. Yeah. And I know something that you probably brought up and we can talk about this, too, because I'm a child of addicts.

Thank you. Thank you.

You're living large now. I know. I appreciate it. So I'm excited to be here.

too and I know that you are too and I had said something that I think that you two have inherited certain traits from your parents that were like if you don't get your way you can use that to like manipulate situations or like you know try to like get back at people you know what I mean in like a vindictive way or yeah so your opinion is that you are saying that we like okay well what you said was like we manipulate to get sympathy

Thank you.

Thank you.

Because I never really understood what the point of it was except to get sympathy and to try and get people to get on your side of things. So you feel like we're recruiting people to get outside.

And it's not legally binding either. So it's not like there's anything that you could even do.

Yeah.

I watched an episode recently where they said it would have to be really bad to cut you both off.

But they're not giving you a reason as to what it is.

A little bit.

Yeah.

It's very, she comes across very passive aggressive at certain points. She can be. Very bless your heart kind of thing.

I mean you're an easier target because you guys are on national television.

so there's so like you said there's way more you know and i'm sure they have a whole nother side too right and i would be down to hear it yeah and i privately and have a conversation you know like i would yeah and i asked you tyler about like your only fans like is that the thing that like really did it for them they're like oh no we can't have this because she's tattooed on you yeah her name i think it's interesting too because all this stuff happened so much not not the considering the closing completely but she's had issues before that ever happened right

And you said that you had asked her on the live. Please tell me how that conversation went. On the live, what do you mean? Yeah, I was like – was the only fans that did it, and you're like, I've asked? Like, who did you ask? Because I would love to hear that conversation. Did you ask Brandon and Teresa? Like, did you see my – No, no.

Open deal.

And I did. You got you got a lot of backlash for your only fans because, you know, you guys gave Farrah a bunch of crap about, you know, being, you know, what doing what she did. But what people. Yeah. Yes, you did. And I think a lot of people forget that because I went back and rewatched and you guys admitted that you were wrong for that.

According to them, though, because they're super, super religious.

Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's the only reason why you got backlash was because of what you guys said to Farrah. But like you said, you guys did. People need to rewatch the episodes because I think all of you may see included. acknowledge you were wrong. Oh, for sure. I mean, it's all I can do, right?

Yeah. It's not so pretty behind the scenes and everything, which is why I'm, I'm glad that we had this conversation and everything, because we don't know the full story until we ask the right, like ask the questions from people directly. Yeah.

Yes. I've never been an addict.

But you have parents that have taught you certain behaviors that you've inherited, whether, you know, you guys are aware of it or not. You guys, by the way, you guys are not your parents. I just want to clarify that. You are not your parents. But I mean, when you're the child of an addict, like they teach you.

Not that it was the goal. So I'll tell you what. It wasn't the goal. And be upfront honest real I'll be upfront and honest Okay I still think that Venting is not a great idea Just because of The negativity That it attracts Okay But at the same time Brandon and Teresa's hands Are not clean Yeah So I think that there is on both sides. I think that it's messy. It's not black and white.

This whole thing is gray. And I don't think there's a right or wrong way to go about this because I feel like it's very unprecedented. You know, nobody has ever had an adoption story on national TV in this way. Right.

And it's continued on 15 or so years later. So I feel like there's no roadmap for you guys to go off of. There's nobody that has walked in your shoes before. This is a very unique situation. So I don't know. Although, I mean, we judge it on TV and everything. But I don't know if I can judge completely because I don't know all the facts about things that have happened behind the scenes.

But I'm glad that you guys... Share that because when you reveal certain things about Brandon and Teresa and how they're not doing their end of the bargain, it does make me look at them differently. I'm like, hmm, yeah, I would probably vent too.

Because your job is just to... Yeah, when I do deep dives, I try to show all sides. I did one on the Chrisley family. I'm very interested to meet Lindsay because I've talked about her on there, too. But I do try to show all sides because there are... all different sides to different stories.

So now that Carly is about the same age of being 16, like you were when you got pregnant and the start of the show, what would you guys say to two 16-year-olds that were going through the same thing and thinking about placing their child up for adoption?

I mean, that's a good question. I, I just, when I talked to you on Instagram, you said that you didn't even care if Brandon and Teresa got upset about this kind of thing. And what I still struggle with is that Carly is going to see all of this anyway. Like when she's 18 and watches the show, hopefully, you know, in college, wherever she goes.

Like that wasn't, you know, that was for you. It was like, it was this or nothing. Yeah. It was this or go home to drug addicts and be stuck in chaos.

Especially because, I mean, addiction runs in your family, too. And mental health does. Yeah.

Right. You needed an advocate. Watching her 16 and pregnant, I was like, my God. 100%. Like, you needed somebody truly on your side that was there for you.

So even though you're like venting and stuff on social media, which by the way, you guys have every right. I have every right to do it. Well, because you do the same thing. Right, exactly. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So she's going to see it anyway. So do you think that you putting it on social media is going to, like, annoy her or drive her away even more?

It's hard.

No, but good for you for using your platform for the good because people need it.

I think we both were able to see where each other were coming from. Yeah.

Thank you for having me. This is great. Yes, no.

You're about to blow up now, motherfucker.

When they say that. This was a few months ago. Yeah, a few months ago. Yeah, while everything is... Before the block?

You were doing a live with somebody else that day, I think.

No, this was after the block. Oh, wait, wait. Spell that. What happened?

I know.

I hate them.

Yeah, I had him for the first time a couple months ago. Trash. It was disgusting. Which one did you have?

What? You don't like the chocolate chip? It was too heavy. It was heavy. I could have knocked my husband out with it. It was just ridiculous. What is this cookie? Sorry. No, no, no. You're fine.

Oh, my God. Almost 600,000.

So I discovered that Hilary Duff and her sister were beefing.

Well, when she's 18, I mean. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. I thought you meant right now.

Just social media sleuth that I am. And it kind of blew up my first video ever. And then it just kind of went on from there.