Joseph Scott Morgan

And, you know, they're trying to get people to buy into this idea that, uh, this is something that, uh,

that the wife, Christine, had planned.

We're talking about going down a really, really dark path here, brother.

An individual, a mama,

that is I don't look you know say what you will about me I don't put anything past dudes when it comes to sexual interest or proclivities and but when you're talking about a mother that's living in in suburban Virginia like this and you're trying to sell me on the idea that she wants this stranger to come in

into her home and into, I don't know, I guess the marriage bedroom.

And though it's, you know, it's, I don't know, role playing, I guess, she's asking to be raped.

And Dave, not just raped, but this idea of violence comes into it.

And for me, I think that as an investigator, you know, when the investigators would, you know, begin to try to wrap their brain around this and they're looking at the life that these people lead,

you know, we talk a lot in, in this world that we're in Dave about victim blaming, don't we?

You know, you hear that a lot and the old adage that the, you know, that the dead can't speak up for himself and you're right.

Um, how, how do you, first off, how do you disprove it as an investigator?

How do you prove it?

Because either way you got to do it.

Um,

They would have spent a tremendous amount of time trying to understand, did she have a background in this kind of fetishized world that people indwell?

And listen, I've worked cases at... I had one guy I know in particular in Atlanta...

I'll go and tell a story of he would go to he would go to what they used to call lingerie shops in Atlanta.

I don't know if they still exist.

And he would wear and this guy in particular, he was wearing lingerie.