Joseph Scott Morgan

And the guy's name is Ryan Smith.

He's gone on to other things now, but he's the chief legal analyst for ESPN.

He's on ABC, Good Morning America.

He was with HLN then.

along with a friend of mine who I'm still very dear friends with, Vinnie Politan.

And many of you guys know him.

He's on Court TV.

He's been around for years and years.

And he literally gave me my start.

So it turned out where I was going to CNN headquarters to appear on HLN, it turned out to be like a weekly gig.

I wasn't getting paid for it, but I would go and I would do shows.

forensic stuff and we do crime of the week because they had plenty on martin yeah they actually had a show that was called after dark and they impaneled a jury of viewers in studio and they would argue one point so i'm sitting at this big table i'm the one forensic guy and i'm surrounded by seven attorneys they're all trying to get a word in edgewise you ever tried to get a word in edgewise around around a lawyer

Because they're trying to sell themselves.

That's why they're on the air.

And so they finally had to do a segment.

It was like, we're going to bring you over to the magic board from now on.

And that way Vinny and I would have a conversation.

We did Trayvon Martin.

We reenacted the shooting.

And so from that, it just, here's the thing.