Joseph Scott Morgan

And I have been doing, I've done her podcast, I do her television show.

And that's two or three times a week.

And she has been to Jack State multiple times.

And as a matter of fact, she was given an honorary doctorate here.

Yeah, she has promoted Jack State.

unbelievably and she believes in what we're doing you know here you know uh as an institution because she sees the need for it because we see failures yeah in the system uh all you got to do is look at the guthrie case right now and how that's being handled yeah and you know it's it they're those uh you know what kids say now it's real cringe it's a cringe moment you know when you see people that are in charge and cases are handled like that

And so back to the relationship with Nancy, she understands.

As a matter of fact, she came here for Fox.

We recreated Ellen Greenberg's kitchen.

If y'all aren't familiar with the Ellen Greenberg case, this is a young woman up in Philly that was found with a knife in her chest.

She had been stabbed in excess of 20 times.

And the Philly M.E., after a closed-door conversation, he had initially ruled it as a homicide, came back and ruled that as a suicide.

And so we were on that case forever and ever and been covering it for a long time.

And, you know, we recreated her, you know, and that's the kind of thing that we can do, you know, at Jack State with what we have here.

And she understands that.

And so when I appear on her show, I'm past the point of intimidation relative to her.

I listen to what she's saying and try to offer my two cents from a forensic kind of in a stable, kind of steady hand relative to the science.

And again, it goes back to if you're in the middle of a storm, if you rely on the science relative to forensics,

it'll, it'll set your compass in the right direction.

You know, you, you, you turn off all the static and you look at science.