Josephine Wolff

If the AI tools themselves are working at odds with the people who design them or the people who are deploying them, I'm less pessimistic about the idea that this will be so much worse than the world that we live in today.

I think it's certainly a possibility, but I think it could also help sort of

fix a lot of the challenges we've had around what happens when you're not one of the biggest tech companies in the whole world, right?

If you're an open source developer and you're trying to secure your code, then having access to the same kinds of tools that the biggest tech companies are using could be a real game changer.

Yeah, I think for it to be an equalizer, you have to have pretty widely accessible tools.

I agree with Fred that I think those are coming, whether we want them or not.

But I also, I would say, and again, I don't mean to be too Pollyanna-ish about this, 20 tech companies could be a lot of code all over the world, right?

It's not, you know, if you go to Microsoft,

You are not just talking about patching machines in the United States.

You are not just talking about a small piece of the world whose software you're trying to protect.

There is a small number of tech companies that control a lot of the most widely deployed code in the whole world.

So I don't know if that's the right number.

I don't know if this is the right set.

But I would not...

necessarily say that's anthropic just trying to carve out a tiny little piece of the world to protect.

I think it's possible that that is a set of companies that have a very far reach.

I think one of the open questions that I don't know the answer to is, is there some point at which the AI vulnerability finding systems level out, right?

So far we've seen, you know, continuous improvement and the things that the models developed this year can do are much more impressive than the things that the models developed last year can do.

If that continues to be the case for the next 10 years, then you're right.

Whoever has the newest, fanciest model has a really significant advantage.