Josette Maskin

What is that choice for?

Okay.

So when we were first... Taking you back to 2013.

13?

So we made some songs and...

This is when Katie was, like, the primary person behind the computer.

And, like, I remember we played, like, one of our first shows at this, like, art place.

And it was Naomi and I with two guitars, Katie with a... MPC.

MPC.

And we were playing, and we were like, this fucking sucks.

Yeah.

The show just didn't have the ass that it needed.

And I think the more that Muna developed, the more we realized, yes, we like certain drum sounds.

Like in the actual recordings, but having real instruments in a room in a live show is the most like cathartic thing like that you can bring and seeing somebody like actually hit something.

And feeling that hit is so important to the live show, which is such a different... I mean, I think now those two spaces are the most commingled as they've ever been.

But if a song is different on a record, it needs to change for the live show.

If it can't be communicated in a way that it's going to feel like you are having some sort of catharsis.

But I think at this record, we did the best that we could to bring those two spaces together.

But I mean, like when we're making stuff, we're just trying to make like whatever is right for that song as opposed to like needing to play something.

And I think that took us a long time to do.