Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant

And Ken himself, I saw either he made it up to age 15 in school, which is a surprising statistic to me after I know a little more about him.

I also saw that he was illiterate, which I would definitely believe more than the fact that he made it up to age 15 in school.

Either way, at a young age, he started taking up crime.

You get the impression not just out of necessity, but also probably out of a certain amount of pleasure.

Yeah, and this was, to frame it, in the 1940s.

He was born in 34.

So by the time he was criming, it was the 1940s.

One thing we should mention is, and I'm glad Livia dug this up, and this is no way excusing any of his behaviors, but when he was 18 years old, he was working construction, and there was an accident where some very heavy cribbing fell about 30 feet and hit him in the head.

Oh.

He had a construction helmet, but it cut his scalp, so it clearly, you know, provided minimal protection.

And he said that he had a steel plate implanted and had episodes of like blackout episodes and pain throughout the rest of his life.

And it should be noted that one common denominator in many cases of, you know, sick people who do awful things is head injury when they're younger.

Uh-huh.

So that very well may have been the case.

Again, not excusing anything he did, but we're trying to paint a full picture here.

He was like a modern-day Phineas Gage.

Yeah, exactly.

And like you said, it seemed like he enjoyed criming from a young age.

He was a pretty – I mean, this is before the accident even.

He was a pretty disturbed young man.