Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant

And McElroy said, let me be the judge of that.

Pulled out that big, you know, fat roll from his pocket, threw it on the desk.

And McFadden was delighted to have him as a cash paying client who listened to him.

Yeah.

So McFadden was so good at getting him off.

Well, actually, they worked together.

McFadden was good at getting him off, but he probably wouldn't have been nearly as successful if Ken McElroy hadn't have been also a very active participant in getting himself off.

So Gene McFadden would get delay after delay, all these procedural delays to just really put as much time between Ken McElroy's arrest and the actual trial date as possible.

And then Ken McElroy would get busy intimidating witnesses.

Yeah.

And if it got closer and closer to trial and a jury was impaneled, he would intimidate the jurors.

He would threaten their lives.

He would threaten the lives of their families.

He would threaten to burn their houses down.

He would threaten to kill them.

He would threaten not just with words.

He would intimidate them by parking in their driveways, by brandishing guns at them, by shooting guns in the air sometimes in the night outside of their house.

Like just it would take a couple of these people.

for the average person to be like, I can't, this is not what I've signed up for.

This guy is scaring me to death.