Josh Clark

layered over one another at once in one reality because you had the FBI negotiators who were trying to negotiate and get this resolved peacefully.

And simultaneously, you had the FBI's hostage rescue team, which is like the FBI's version of the SWAT team.

Yeah.

Like, let's just go in there and get these get this guy and we'll just end it like that.

And they kept there was like just this tension, like the negotiators would would make some progress.

And then the hostage rescue team would do something to take off the branch of Indians.

And so that would put a kibosh on those recent negotiations.

And it just kept going like that.

Yeah, and that was thanks to two Bible scholars, Philip Arnold and James Tabor, who had been following this like everybody else, at least in the United States, on CNN and every news network.

It was just constant wall-to-wall coverage.

You could just get up in the middle of the night and watch what was going on at the siege in Waco for weeks, right?

These guys had seen it, and it became clear to them that the FBI had no idea, no touchpoint with what the Branch Davidians believed, and that they were just talking over each other.

They just couldn't grasp who they were dealing with.

And these guys were like, we can.

We're Bible scholars.

We understand what's going on.

So I guess they went on TV and were talking about what the Branch Davidians believed.

Koresh saw it, and that's when he was like, I need to write down my interpretation of Revelations.

And give it to these two who can actually do something with it that are trustworthy for safekeeping.

So that lawyer, like you said, negotiated that.