Josh Clark

Yeah.

And it's July.

Yeah.

And there's a lot of rotting fish in the room, too, for some reason.

Yeah, and then somebody is eating leftovers of Vietnamese food, and it's loaded with shrimp paste.

And then there's one guy who's got leather patches on his elbows, and it's chafing the people on either side of his arm.

Because they happen to be wearing short sleeves.

So it's really difficult to get across how groundbreaking Brian E. Cole's study was because she was working with really minimal information.

I saw that she went to the extent of, like, collecting, like, anecdotes from old fishermen who had brought up stuff while they were trawling.

Like, and she took all this and put it together.

just wrote a book like, hey, get this.

This is what's really down there.

She created maps of what Doggerland would have looked like, not just once, but throughout different areas of the time period that it was above water.

So what she did was an amazing triumph of intellect.

Like it's really tough to get across like how –

Big a deal what she did was.

And that's why people started to get into Dogger Lake, because it was so convincing, too.

And Gaffney was in a really good position to say that because, like you said, he worked for years and years and years on a project that he had come up with with Simon Fitch that was pretty clever.

They were like, there are a lot of oil exploration companies that have been mapping the seafloor of the North Sea for decades now.

Surely they have some amazing data sets that they'll share with us.