Josh Clark

Like, there were tons of, like, hearings and stuff like that.

But really, like, overall...

There just wasn't any huge reckoning over it.

And there should have been because it was an American tragedy, even if in some ways the Branch Davidian group were, you know, at least partially responsible for their part, too.

Sure.

Yeah, including 20 kids.

Yeah, I think that hits it on the nose.

Right.

He retrofitted his name.

He was actually born Vernon Wayne Howell.

And he's like, you know, I could probably get a lot further trying to become the leader of this sect if I change my name to the same name as the name of the sect.

So, yes, they actually split.

They were a branch, but then they split fully from the Adventist church because they started to predict the date of end times, started to follow leaders as prophets.

And the Seventh-day Adventists were like, we did that like a century ago.

We don't do that anymore.

You guys go away.

And so the teachings, though, of the people before David Koresh, when he came in, there was a woman named Lois Roden.

They attracted dozens of people.

At any given time, there were probably somewhere around 100 people who were living and working and worshiping, I guess, at what was called Mount Carmel, their compound outside of Waco.

The Branch Davidians were pretty well-suited for the Waco, Texas area.