Josh Clark

We can do that.

They're like, are you talking about a moving gnomon?

And the monk said, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

That's right.

So there's this really interesting take on all that.

The fact that clocks started tracking time in monasteries and then churches and the cities that were built around churches would all hear the bell.

So people knew what time it was all of a sudden.

It wasn't like the sky is purple, so I better milk the cows.

It was like, oh, it's one in the afternoon, so I better milk the cows, right?

Because apparently the sky would turn purple at one in the afternoon in medieval Europe.

And there's a philosopher named Lewis Mumford.

I think he was working in the 1930s.

And he says that, that is the birth of the modern era, not steam power that came hundreds of years later.

Right.

Removing people from the rhythms, the natural rhythms of the day and imposing time on them.

All of a sudden you could be like, be at my blacksmith shop at three or else you're fired, you know?

Yeah.

What a drag.

Exactly.

I think that's a really good case that he makes.