Josh Clark

It's not even a mood disorder, although some people say it would better be characterized as a mood disorder.

They say it's a cluster of symptoms that overlap with a bunch of different –

Actual disorders.

And that the problem with that is you say, who cares?

You're identifying people, a group of people whose rate of suicide is 50 times the general population.

That alone is worth like identifying and helping those people out.

But what they're saying is, number one, BPD has gotten such a bad name in the general population that you are –

literally stigmatizing somebody when you give them that diagnosis.

It is an enormously heavy weight you put on somebody when you say, I'm a trained psychiatrist.

I know what I'm talking about.

And you have borderline personality disorder.

Everybody step back, basically.

Very much so.

Yeah, for sure.

That's a great analogy, actually.

So some people are like, okay, it's stigmatizing.

But even more than that, just the science isn't necessarily there.

Like we were saying, it's symptoms rather than an actual disorder.

And then apparently the working group for personality disorders for the DSM-5, that's the most recent one.

They actually said, we're not sure that this should be a categorical disorder, which is the type that you either have it or you don't.