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Josh Dubin

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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

He had been a paid informant for them for a long time. And he comes in and he speaks to detectives and they say everything you're in essence, they say everything you're telling us has been public. You know, you need to give us more information. He then, that week, brings his son in, William Avery Jr., and his son claims to have information about the case.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And they tell him, you know, you're not telling us enough. He comes back about a week later and he says, well, I know the guys that did this. And he blames the murder on Al Cleveland, John Edwards, Lenworth Edwards and Benson Davis. And he claims that Al Cleveland confessed it to him. So they start investigating this man, William Avery Jr. 's account of what happened.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And they tell him, you know, you're not telling us enough. He comes back about a week later and he says, well, I know the guys that did this. And he blames the murder on Al Cleveland, John Edwards, Lenworth Edwards and Benson Davis. And he claims that Al Cleveland confessed it to him. So they start investigating this man, William Avery Jr. 's account of what happened.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And they tell him, you know, you're not telling us enough. He comes back about a week later and he says, well, I know the guys that did this. And he blames the murder on Al Cleveland, John Edwards, Lenworth Edwards and Benson Davis. And he claims that Al Cleveland confessed it to him. So they start investigating this man, William Avery Jr. 's account of what happened.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And what he is telling them happened does not match the physical evidence. state of this apartment where he claims this beating happened. So this is like one of the telltale ways to tell if someone is falsely confessing to you or falsely implicating others. He tells them that there's this horrific beating of this victim that occurs in an apartment. And they go to the apartment.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And what he is telling them happened does not match the physical evidence. state of this apartment where he claims this beating happened. So this is like one of the telltale ways to tell if someone is falsely confessing to you or falsely implicating others. He tells them that there's this horrific beating of this victim that occurs in an apartment. And they go to the apartment.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And what he is telling them happened does not match the physical evidence. state of this apartment where he claims this beating happened. So this is like one of the telltale ways to tell if someone is falsely confessing to you or falsely implicating others. He tells them that there's this horrific beating of this victim that occurs in an apartment. And they go to the apartment.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

I mean, chairs turned over, tables turned over, a bloody knockdown, drag out fight for her life. And they go to the apartment and take pictures. And it's in the most pristine condition you can imagine. Not a chair turned over, not a table. And they immediately had reason to know that this guy was bullshitting. Because he then comes and says to them, you know, I have other details.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

I mean, chairs turned over, tables turned over, a bloody knockdown, drag out fight for her life. And they go to the apartment and take pictures. And it's in the most pristine condition you can imagine. Not a chair turned over, not a table. And they immediately had reason to know that this guy was bullshitting. Because he then comes and says to them, you know, I have other details.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

I mean, chairs turned over, tables turned over, a bloody knockdown, drag out fight for her life. And they go to the apartment and take pictures. And it's in the most pristine condition you can imagine. Not a chair turned over, not a table. And they immediately had reason to know that this guy was bullshitting. Because he then comes and says to them, you know, I have other details.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And the more details he gives them, the less it's matching up with the evidence that they have. So they're trying these four men separately. When the first trial happens, William Avery Jr. has an idea. And his idea is, I'm going to extort these people for money. He shows up at the trial and he tells the prosecutors, I want $10,000. And the prosecutors say to him, what are you talking about?

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And the more details he gives them, the less it's matching up with the evidence that they have. So they're trying these four men separately. When the first trial happens, William Avery Jr. has an idea. And his idea is, I'm going to extort these people for money. He shows up at the trial and he tells the prosecutors, I want $10,000. And the prosecutors say to him, what are you talking about?

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And the more details he gives them, the less it's matching up with the evidence that they have. So they're trying these four men separately. When the first trial happens, William Avery Jr. has an idea. And his idea is, I'm going to extort these people for money. He shows up at the trial and he tells the prosecutors, I want $10,000. And the prosecutors say to him, what are you talking about?

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

You have to testify. You got the reward money. And he says, I'm not testifying. They put him in jail for contempt. And he says, I made the whole thing up anyways. I did it for the reward money. I made it up. They should have known right then and there before any of these four men were tried that this was someone that led them down the wrong path. But instead of doing that, they keep him in jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

You have to testify. You got the reward money. And he says, I'm not testifying. They put him in jail for contempt. And he says, I made the whole thing up anyways. I did it for the reward money. I made it up. They should have known right then and there before any of these four men were tried that this was someone that led them down the wrong path. But instead of doing that, they keep him in jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

You have to testify. You got the reward money. And he says, I'm not testifying. They put him in jail for contempt. And he says, I made the whole thing up anyways. I did it for the reward money. I made it up. They should have known right then and there before any of these four men were tried that this was someone that led them down the wrong path. But instead of doing that, they keep him in jail.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

I don't remember if it was for 30 days or 60 days. And they let him cool his heels a little bit. The judge in the trial calls a mistrial, and when there's a mistrial, you can try someone again. So about a month goes by, and William Avery Jr. 's story has now evolved. He now no longer claims that Al Cleveland confessed to him. He claims that he was a witness to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

I don't remember if it was for 30 days or 60 days. And they let him cool his heels a little bit. The judge in the trial calls a mistrial, and when there's a mistrial, you can try someone again. So about a month goes by, and William Avery Jr. 's story has now evolved. He now no longer claims that Al Cleveland confessed to him. He claims that he was a witness to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

I don't remember if it was for 30 days or 60 days. And they let him cool his heels a little bit. The judge in the trial calls a mistrial, and when there's a mistrial, you can try someone again. So about a month goes by, and William Avery Jr. 's story has now evolved. He now no longer claims that Al Cleveland confessed to him. He claims that he was a witness to it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

And what happens in that intervening month, I think people can draw their own obvious conclusions about what happens. But suffice to say, it's my opinion and my belief that they did a number on this guy. So he goes on to testify at all four of their trials individually. During which time the lead prosecutor gets a correspondence from the U.S.