Josh Dubin

Yeah.

I don't get that.

It was the same thing with the amendment on abortion.

It needed 60%.

Maybe it was the abortion one that got 58%.

I might be wrong about that.

But in any event, I don't...

I don't understand the resistance to psychedelics as a therapeutic, both in mainstream society, let alone in the prison system.

Misunderstanding, I guess, is the best way to put it.

Ignorance.

They're a victim of propaganda.

Well, look, also, if you think about like COININTELPRO, all of a sudden you're spying on people that you think are others.

You're legalizing that intelligence-gathering

that allows you to start violating people's civil liberties so that you can gain intelligence on them because the way they think is unlike you.

So, you know, it's, again, sort of, to me, all ties back to this very...

I guess, tribal mentality that you're either like us or you're like them.

And everything that you mentioned, the psychedelics act, the resistance to the civil rights movement, it was all based on the fact that, look, we have a potential uprising here of people that are going to challenge the way we think and the way we do things.

So for people to call me a race baiter,

Right.

You know, I feel like I'm more of a truth teller and just taking the thread through history.