Josh Dubin

So as Dame Fortune would have it, I don't know where I heard that, but the way it worked out is that three or four days after we spoke, the charges against J.D. were dropped. The election happened. Yeah. He gets defeated in the election. It had its intended effect, I guess, in my opinion. That's why else. But they dropped the case. So now his problem went away for the time being.

So he became a lot more singularly focused. So by the time I got to Ohio and I had a team of lawyers that were representing the other three men, and I felt like I had a more captive audience at that point. And... You know, what happens from here and what what leads us to today is, in my mind, just as perverse as the irony of him getting wrongfully accused of a crime. Because I presented to J.D.

So he became a lot more singularly focused. So by the time I got to Ohio and I had a team of lawyers that were representing the other three men, and I felt like I had a more captive audience at that point. And... You know, what happens from here and what what leads us to today is, in my mind, just as perverse as the irony of him getting wrongfully accused of a crime. Because I presented to J.D.

So he became a lot more singularly focused. So by the time I got to Ohio and I had a team of lawyers that were representing the other three men, and I felt like I had a more captive audience at that point. And... You know, what happens from here and what what leads us to today is, in my mind, just as perverse as the irony of him getting wrongfully accused of a crime. Because I presented to J.D.

and, you know, at one point he welled up. To prove a negative is one of the most difficult things. Our standard is the presumption of innocence. When someone is already convicted and they're wrongfully convicted, in order for you to get someone in JD's position there, he was tough on me, as he should have been.

and, you know, at one point he welled up. To prove a negative is one of the most difficult things. Our standard is the presumption of innocence. When someone is already convicted and they're wrongfully convicted, in order for you to get someone in JD's position there, he was tough on me, as he should have been.

and, you know, at one point he welled up. To prove a negative is one of the most difficult things. Our standard is the presumption of innocence. When someone is already convicted and they're wrongfully convicted, in order for you to get someone in JD's position there, he was tough on me, as he should have been.

But I had to prove a negative because I had to prove that Al Cleveland was not in Ohio when this happened, which frankly became easy to prove because we were able to show that he was in New York visiting his probation officer on a different drug case. He had Damon John, who of Shark Tank fame, was with him the day that this allegedly happened. People saw him all over New York.

But I had to prove a negative because I had to prove that Al Cleveland was not in Ohio when this happened, which frankly became easy to prove because we were able to show that he was in New York visiting his probation officer on a different drug case. He had Damon John, who of Shark Tank fame, was with him the day that this allegedly happened. People saw him all over New York.

But I had to prove a negative because I had to prove that Al Cleveland was not in Ohio when this happened, which frankly became easy to prove because we were able to show that he was in New York visiting his probation officer on a different drug case. He had Damon John, who of Shark Tank fame, was with him the day that this allegedly happened. People saw him all over New York.

There were John Edwards, who's my client, had alibi witnesses all over the place. And if Al Cleveland is in New York, this never happened because William Avery Jr. 's story was that Al Cleveland was there leading the charge and they're beating this woman to death.

There were John Edwards, who's my client, had alibi witnesses all over the place. And if Al Cleveland is in New York, this never happened because William Avery Jr. 's story was that Al Cleveland was there leading the charge and they're beating this woman to death.

There were John Edwards, who's my client, had alibi witnesses all over the place. And if Al Cleveland is in New York, this never happened because William Avery Jr. 's story was that Al Cleveland was there leading the charge and they're beating this woman to death.

So when I was there and by the time I was done presenting to JD and his chief of staff, they asked if they could have some time and get back to us. And we said, well, if you guys are going to go chat, we're here in Ohio. You know, I'd come in from New York and the other attorneys had come from other parts of Ohio and we stayed for several hours.

So when I was there and by the time I was done presenting to JD and his chief of staff, they asked if they could have some time and get back to us. And we said, well, if you guys are going to go chat, we're here in Ohio. You know, I'd come in from New York and the other attorneys had come from other parts of Ohio and we stayed for several hours.

So when I was there and by the time I was done presenting to JD and his chief of staff, they asked if they could have some time and get back to us. And we said, well, if you guys are going to go chat, we're here in Ohio. You know, I'd come in from New York and the other attorneys had come from other parts of Ohio and we stayed for several hours.

I had already extended my trip. Interesting, because he didn't make a decision until sometime about a week later, but... I never asked you what your impression was at that moment after we met.

I had already extended my trip. Interesting, because he didn't make a decision until sometime about a week later, but... I never asked you what your impression was at that moment after we met.

I had already extended my trip. Interesting, because he didn't make a decision until sometime about a week later, but... I never asked you what your impression was at that moment after we met.

And he, I think, realized, he told me this morning when we were talking, he said, I knew you weren't going away. Tenacious.