Josh Ireland
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What he does is he has this beautiful car and he'll drop Silvia off.
And while Silvia's inside chatting to Trotsky or Trotsky's wife or another family who live there, he'll just chat to the guards or he'll give them cigarettes or he'll offer to do them little favours.
And all the time, what he's doing is he's getting closer and closer and he's earning their trust and he's observing what's happening.
Because at the moment, all he's there is to gather intelligence.
He's just a spy at this stage.
He's there to see, are there any doors that anyone leaves unlocked?
Are there any guards that get drunk when they're supposed to be on watch?
And the other thing you need to know is that his mother is still there.
His mother's this extraordinary figure in this movie.
She's like, you can't have this story without this mad woman, you know, this force of nature who has embroiled her son in this bigger plot.
And who may well be having an affair with Leonard Iting, the NKVD agent who...
is on one hand like a friendly charming you know kind human being who loves to dance and and chat but is also capable of you know of shooting anyone in cold blood if necessary so the the plot begins to thicken they're getting closer and closer to trotsky you know ramon has is beginning to get the respect and also the trust of the people around trotsky
So this is, we're into 1940 now.
Ramon's closer and closer to the family.
He's met Trotsky for the first time.
He does things like, you know, he'll take Trotsky's grandson, who's the last surviving member of Trotsky's family, you know, for days out.
He'll take Trotsky's wife on shopping trips.
No one particularly respects him or is interested in him because he's this weird, strange guy.
He's Silvia's novio, boyfriend.