Josh Laura

Or it's sort of this idea of being like turning masculinity on its head where you're obviously not every man is supposed to be stoic and like boys don't cry.

But then I think that there is this element where men obviously learn that I think

millennial men, the rise of therapy, Gen Z guys.

And so now they're like, okay, well, I'm going to cry on cue.

And it's like, I know what you're doing.

I know what you're doing.

You're not going to get me.

You're not, I'm sorry.

Like all of the examples that I listed, I was like, you are doing this in order to inoculate yourself from further criticism so that we can't use your failures as an actual cudgel against you.

Yeah.

And to like asterisk that, I'm not saying that all of these men are pathetic because they're not performing traditional masculinity, right?

In sociology, you know, gender is a performance, gender is a construct, Judith Butler of it all.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I don't want to get like attacked by being like, you have to get a job and you have to wear a car heart.

It's more specifically, I think the combination, like I said, of the performance where in sociology, Goffman believes that everything is sort of a performance, which is why

I ride so strongly for reality TV where I'm like, yes, you are performing a version of yourself on camera, but like Goffman believes that you're always performing a version of yourself, right?

Like the self that you are at work is not the self that you are at home, which is not the self that you are with your partner.

which is not the self that you are with your best friend, right?

And so I think that what I'm saying is that the performance of this sort of like hang dog, ineffectual, like, I'm so lonely, I'm so sad, I'm such a flop, I'm such a loser, is very calculated in a way to get sympathy from people who date men, sympathy from people who are attracted to men.

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