Josh Mankiewicz

Well, Blaine, there's a gag order in place, so there's a lot that the public still doesn't know about this case. But as the court has been gearing up for this summer's trial, there have been some hearings that talk about possible evidence in the case.

Well, Blaine, there's a gag order in place, so there's a lot that the public still doesn't know about this case. But as the court has been gearing up for this summer's trial, there have been some hearings that talk about possible evidence in the case.

Well, Blaine, there's a gag order in place, so there's a lot that the public still doesn't know about this case. But as the court has been gearing up for this summer's trial, there have been some hearings that talk about possible evidence in the case.

So we've known for a while now that Koberger was initially charged with the murders based on detectives allegedly matching his DNA to DNA found on a knife sheath left at the crime scene. But his defense has made this bombshell new claim. They revealed recently that detectives found blood at the crime scene from two additional males, both of whom are still unidentified.

So we've known for a while now that Koberger was initially charged with the murders based on detectives allegedly matching his DNA to DNA found on a knife sheath left at the crime scene. But his defense has made this bombshell new claim. They revealed recently that detectives found blood at the crime scene from two additional males, both of whom are still unidentified.

So we've known for a while now that Koberger was initially charged with the murders based on detectives allegedly matching his DNA to DNA found on a knife sheath left at the crime scene. But his defense has made this bombshell new claim. They revealed recently that detectives found blood at the crime scene from two additional males, both of whom are still unidentified.

At the scene, one male's blood was found on a railing inside the house where the four students were killed, and a different male's blood was found on a glove outside the house. Koberger's defense alleges that the police failed to disclose those unidentified blood samples to a judge when they sought that warrant for Koberger's arrest in December of 2022, and the prosecution has not disputed it.

At the scene, one male's blood was found on a railing inside the house where the four students were killed, and a different male's blood was found on a glove outside the house. Koberger's defense alleges that the police failed to disclose those unidentified blood samples to a judge when they sought that warrant for Koberger's arrest in December of 2022, and the prosecution has not disputed it.

At the scene, one male's blood was found on a railing inside the house where the four students were killed, and a different male's blood was found on a glove outside the house. Koberger's defense alleges that the police failed to disclose those unidentified blood samples to a judge when they sought that warrant for Koberger's arrest in December of 2022, and the prosecution has not disputed it.

So the group's leader, known as Ziz, legal name Jack Lasoda, was arrested last weekend in Western Maryland. Lasoda was charged with trespassing, having a handgun in a vehicle, and obstructing and hindering, all of which are misdemeanors. Now, police have arrested someone else here, too. Yeah, two other people, in fact.

So the group's leader, known as Ziz, legal name Jack Lasoda, was arrested last weekend in Western Maryland. Lasoda was charged with trespassing, having a handgun in a vehicle, and obstructing and hindering, all of which are misdemeanors. Now, police have arrested someone else here, too. Yeah, two other people, in fact.

So the group's leader, known as Ziz, legal name Jack Lasoda, was arrested last weekend in Western Maryland. Lasoda was charged with trespassing, having a handgun in a vehicle, and obstructing and hindering, all of which are misdemeanors. Now, police have arrested someone else here, too. Yeah, two other people, in fact.

One, Michelle Zyko, another Zizian who was a person of interest in the Vermont border guard shooting, plus the murders of that Pennsylvania couple who were actually Zyko's parents. Zyko was also only charged with misdemeanors. Rachel, thanks so much for bringing us all of that.

One, Michelle Zyko, another Zizian who was a person of interest in the Vermont border guard shooting, plus the murders of that Pennsylvania couple who were actually Zyko's parents. Zyko was also only charged with misdemeanors. Rachel, thanks so much for bringing us all of that.

One, Michelle Zyko, another Zizian who was a person of interest in the Vermont border guard shooting, plus the murders of that Pennsylvania couple who were actually Zyko's parents. Zyko was also only charged with misdemeanors. Rachel, thanks so much for bringing us all of that.

Hi, everybody. It's Josh Mankiewicz, and we're talking Dateline today with Craig Melvin. Hi, Craig. Josh, how are you, Mank? Good, and congratulations on that new non-Dateline job that you have. I see you trying to fit in around your Dateline responsibilities.

Hi, everybody. It's Josh Mankiewicz, and we're talking Dateline today with Craig Melvin. Hi, Craig. Josh, how are you, Mank? Good, and congratulations on that new non-Dateline job that you have. I see you trying to fit in around your Dateline responsibilities.

So this episode is called Return to the Lake, and it is about a horrifying case that everybody of a certain age, that being me, will remember. It's from 1994. It's the story of Susan Smith, who murdered her two young children.

So this episode is called Return to the Lake, and it is about a horrifying case that everybody of a certain age, that being me, will remember. It's from 1994. It's the story of Susan Smith, who murdered her two young children.

Now, for this episode, Craig spoke with her ex-husband, David, in a very rare, very revealing interview about how this case, this loss, how it impacted him and how he is fighting to keep the woman that he once loved behind bars. Now, if you've not listened to this episode yet, it is the episode right below this one on the list of podcasts that you just chose from.