Josh Mankiewicz

And then, clearly, I mean, at some point, law enforcement starts doing what I think was a pretty good job, like figuring out, like, her story about the stoplight couldn't have been true. That's a... That's pretty good police work in a time when there weren't cameras at every intersection.

Can't track her, nothing. No, no. Old school. Right. I mean, today that story wouldn't stand up because of technology. Back then? You know, you told it and you sold it. And she did. You guys got some conversations, some audio from those conversations. Now, those have not been played before. And they're chilling, I thought.

Can't track her, nothing. No, no. Old school. Right. I mean, today that story wouldn't stand up because of technology. Back then? You know, you told it and you sold it. And she did. You guys got some conversations, some audio from those conversations. Now, those have not been played before. And they're chilling, I thought.

Yeah. So, you know, Susan Smith initially, I mean, after she eventually told the truth, she first said that she sort of tried to drown herself along with her sons. Anybody believe that?

Yeah. So, you know, Susan Smith initially, I mean, after she eventually told the truth, she first said that she sort of tried to drown herself along with her sons. Anybody believe that?

You know, over the years, Carol Gable, our producer, sort of kept in touch with Susan Smith and wrote her all these letters, I think knowing that this story was going to come back one day. Yeah. And you included some of those. Is Susan Smith still selling the story, you think?

You know, over the years, Carol Gable, our producer, sort of kept in touch with Susan Smith and wrote her all these letters, I think knowing that this story was going to come back one day. Yeah. And you included some of those. Is Susan Smith still selling the story, you think?

When we come back, we will have an extra clip from the interview with the chief of SLED, Mark Keel, who remembers where he was when Susan Smith confessed to killing her two sons. You know, when I saw Mark Keel in your episode, I realized that I had interviewed him before. I immediately recognized him and his name.

When we come back, we will have an extra clip from the interview with the chief of SLED, Mark Keel, who remembers where he was when Susan Smith confessed to killing her two sons. You know, when I saw Mark Keel in your episode, I realized that I had interviewed him before. I immediately recognized him and his name.

And I have been racking my brain unsuccessfully, as it turns out, to try to remember what story it was that I interviewed him for. I can't remember. Now, he has not really talked about this case.

And I have been racking my brain unsuccessfully, as it turns out, to try to remember what story it was that I interviewed him for. I can't remember. Now, he has not really talked about this case.

This is full circle for him. I mean, he went from being like part-time on a pilot and now he's running sled and he's still on this story. Yep. Yep. We have a little bit more of Craig's interview with the chief of SLED, Mark Keel. And he remembers very well what was going on back then and in the days after. Let's listen to that.

This is full circle for him. I mean, he went from being like part-time on a pilot and now he's running sled and he's still on this story. Yep. Yep. We have a little bit more of Craig's interview with the chief of SLED, Mark Keel. And he remembers very well what was going on back then and in the days after. Let's listen to that.

I completely agree.

I completely agree.

No, I completely agree. Because there's no way that that was quick or painless.

No, I completely agree. Because there's no way that that was quick or painless.

This is one of the things we've talked about before on previous episodes of Talking Dateline and elsewhere, which is there's this ripple effect to murder. It's not just the person. It's not just the immediate family. It doesn't go away because the person gets convicted or locked up. And those people that approach you in the supermarket, like they're well-meaning. Yes.

This is one of the things we've talked about before on previous episodes of Talking Dateline and elsewhere, which is there's this ripple effect to murder. It's not just the person. It's not just the immediate family. It doesn't go away because the person gets convicted or locked up. And those people that approach you in the supermarket, like they're well-meaning. Yes.

But they're not letting you move on from this. Right? Nope. it also defines your life. Right. Whether you, and you probably don't wish that, I mean, when you don't want it to, but it will anyway.