Josh Mankiewicz

Absolutely. One of the things I thought that really came out in this was the sort of zigzag nature of some of these investigations in which You know, they looked at the boyfriend, they looked at her grandfather, they looked at the pastor, they looked at that other guy who got very combative in the police interview. And that's how these things go. I mean, that's not just Dateline storytelling.

That is, you know, you're looking at these guys and you want to know, you know, do you have an alibi? And sort of, you know, what kind of read do we get off you when we ask you these tough questions?

That is, you know, you're looking at these guys and you want to know, you know, do you have an alibi? And sort of, you know, what kind of read do we get off you when we ask you these tough questions?

Let's talk a little bit about that sketch. Yes. The Hail Mary sketch done by Parabon. Now, phenotyping to get a portrait is extremely controversial. Andrea did it in an episode, which I think was called Facing the Music. And they made a sketch of her based on her DNA. And it didn't really look like Andrea. You certainly wouldn't have looked at that sketch and thought, oh, that's Andrea.

Let's talk a little bit about that sketch. Yes. The Hail Mary sketch done by Parabon. Now, phenotyping to get a portrait is extremely controversial. Andrea did it in an episode, which I think was called Facing the Music. And they made a sketch of her based on her DNA. And it didn't really look like Andrea. You certainly wouldn't have looked at that sketch and thought, oh, that's Andrea.

So sometimes it doesn't work and it can be incredibly misleading is the criticism. But in this case, it led to the guy.

So sometimes it doesn't work and it can be incredibly misleading is the criticism. But in this case, it led to the guy.

I was struck by how much the sketch looked like him, particularly in the eyes. Yes.

I was struck by how much the sketch looked like him, particularly in the eyes. Yes.

yes yes you know there's a lot of police generated video in this which i thought really sort of helped help the viewer kind of live in the moment you really see a lot of things and i'm actually going to say that this is one of those episodes where it really is important for people to go look at it and not just listen to the audio because you're going to learn some stuff from the pictures that you're not going to learn otherwise

yes yes you know there's a lot of police generated video in this which i thought really sort of helped help the viewer kind of live in the moment you really see a lot of things and i'm actually going to say that this is one of those episodes where it really is important for people to go look at it and not just listen to the audio because you're going to learn some stuff from the pictures that you're not going to learn otherwise

A lot of times, you know, it's very hard for killers to recount what it is that they did. He just he just talks about it like like he was having lunch. One of the other things that I thought was was fascinating was there's those weird markings on her, which, you know, maybe makes you think like this is some kind of like devil worshiping cult. She's killed on Friday the 13th.

A lot of times, you know, it's very hard for killers to recount what it is that they did. He just he just talks about it like like he was having lunch. One of the other things that I thought was was fascinating was there's those weird markings on her, which, you know, maybe makes you think like this is some kind of like devil worshiping cult. She's killed on Friday the 13th.

And then it turns out none of that really has anything to do with it. But again, it's one of those things that if you're working on this murder, like you're going to look at those possibilities because that does all seem like the stars are kind of lining up.

And then it turns out none of that really has anything to do with it. But again, it's one of those things that if you're working on this murder, like you're going to look at those possibilities because that does all seem like the stars are kind of lining up.

This feels like a good time to play the extra sound from the Lamans who talked about what that confession sort of did to them.

This feels like a good time to play the extra sound from the Lamans who talked about what that confession sort of did to them.

I'm always stunned when I hear people talking about forgiveness and compassion for people like Ryan in a case like this. I am. I would find that hard to conjure up, but they don't, clearly.

I'm always stunned when I hear people talking about forgiveness and compassion for people like Ryan in a case like this. I am. I would find that hard to conjure up, but they don't, clearly.

I mean, I get why it made her family. It would make me crazy if that happened, but ultimately he did get the, he did get the punishment that the legal system would have doled out regardless of whether he had gone to church first or not.